Mcbean
Well-Known Member
Could be - gives those a bigger voice than they should have
Could be - gives those a bigger voice than they should haveI think part of the problem now is that for most people your audience used to be half a dozen mates down the pub.
Bow with social media you can reach a very wide audience and what you say stays on record.
U OK Hun?What’s worse do you think - putting a picture of a monkey as the royal baby or saying you should pour battery acid over right wing politicians?
Which deserves the sack more?
Would Jim Davison have been defended so vigorously if he’d said it about Jeremy Corbyn or would we have had a different response to the alleged comedian Jo Brands comments?
For example look at the things Boris has said in the last couple of years - 'picaninnies' 'Muslim women in their veils looking like letterboxes' - is that bad humour/poor taste, simply racism, or just people that aren't thick skinned being offended?
I think if he said chuck acid on the lefties and not milk shake he’d be in bother
Whether a joke is such depends upon whether the recipient appreciates it as a joke. If you've had battery acid thrown in your face you probably wouldn't find a battery acid throwing "joke" at all funny. Same goes for rape, disfigurement, poverty etc.A joke is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. It's the whole point of a joke. Some are silly, some are dirty and others are dark and twisted but they're all intended to provoke a laugh.
The problem is that if someone left wing says a acerbic joke aimed at middle England or right wingers then it's brushed off as a joke but the other way around it's labeled hateful and problematic.
The world is a shitty place for balance at the moment.
What meeting ?someone got up at that Jewish group meeting, (can't remember the name but it's one of the right wing Jewish groups), and were talking about assassinating Corbyn and it hardly got mentioned..
I don't think there is any left wing or right wing bias to this issue. People are now pouring over every word that people they don't agree with say to try and kick off about it it's embarrassing.
To slightly contradict myself I do think politicians should probably be held to a higher level of responsibility in what they say.
You calling me a c**t ? !!!!!!Its a silly thing to say, and I am surprised at her - but as usual nowadays, there is a massive overreaction. People just love to be offended.
What meeting ?
Whether a joke is such depends upon whether the recipient appreciates it as a joke. If you've had battery acid thrown in your face you probably wouldn't find a battery acid throwing "joke" at all funny. Same goes for rape, disfigurement, poverty etc.
Blame the outraged righty snowflakes then.What I don't get is that the police are seemingly investigating this and have done for other such comments too, yet when I watch stuff like 999 What's your Emergency, people ring 999 about crimes that have been committed or ARE actually taking place and the police say they haven't got the resources to attend the incident.
Blame the outraged righty snowflakes then.
The bbc should be investigated and whoever allowed it to go ahead should be sacked
thought you believed in free speech?
If an individual said this on social media they’d be investigated - if not then you end up with racist jokes, inciting violence hiding behind comedy - in a private venue where people have paid may be different but not on a national broadcast show
I'm very interested in this debate at the moment.
I think free speech is being weaponised with the left blaming the right and vice versa for stifling free speech when I think people from all ends of the political spectrum are at it.
Really interested to know what people think the parameters of free speech should be. I can see valid arguments for and against what you have said.
Remember pissing myself at the Not the nine o'clock news sketch where Rowan Atkinson was talking about driving through Europe and running other motorists off the road. Would fail your criteria on the racism and incitement to violence fairly spectacularly.
generally people aren’t running people off the road.
You should watch the news more. Been some very high profile cases of Islamic extremists, far right extremists and white superminists doing just that.
Remember pissing myself at the Not the nine o'clock news sketch where Rowan Atkinson was talking about driving through Europe and running other motorists off the road. Would fail your criteria on the racism and incitement to violence fairly spectacularly.
What’s worse do you think - putting a picture of a monkey as the royal baby or saying you should pour battery acid over right wing politicians?
Which deserves the sack more?
Would Jim Davison have been defended so vigorously if he’d said it about Jeremy Corbyn or would we have had a different response to the alleged comedian Jo Brands comments?
The joke was in the 1990’s Tony and talking about a Europe road trip
Ahh. So when you said “aren’t” (present tense) you meant weren’t (past tense). Got ya.
Yes. Shame it became that utter c**t GrimesNow that you mention Rowan Atkinson, he's always been very insightful and protective of free speech.
I am deeply offended by that attack on sea cucumbers - take it back or I will be forced to start a government petitionJo Brand looks like a sea cucumber but with worse hair.
Dead people cannot laugh!What's your point old bean?
Offence is taken, not given. That's a very important thing to remember with jokes. The fact someone takes offence doesn't stop it from being a joke.
I know plenty of people that have died of cancer but can still laugh at jokes about it because a) It's funny and b) it's not about the people I knew.
It's clearly meant as a joke but give the spate of acid attacks that have happened in the not too distant past it's a very poor choice, especially from an ex-nurse. I doubt she'd find it funny if someone jokingly said the same about a left wing liberal or a feminist.
There does seem to be a bit of bias in favour of left wing in terms of jokes which could, but probably shouldn't, be considered as inciting violence or hate crimes. I think part of that can often be the tone in which they're said, but also I think in terms of the opinion of those incharge on those who hold right and left wing views. They seem to be that 'left wing can tell it's a joke and so won't act on it. some right wingers can't and will act on it', which is completely wrong and patronising.
There is also a definite bias in terms of what women and minorities can say. They can make all sort of stereotypical crap about men or white people and it's fine because it's a joke
Heard on the news yesterday that its now against the law to show adverts like men with their feet up whilst the woman are doing the house chores or a male's taking the piss watching females trying to park the car......
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