Transfer Rumour 25/26 Summer Transfer Window (104 Viewers)

[Hobo]

No, but they weren't asked to push the line up to almost over the half way line at all times.

Most defenders when their team is attacking get up to the half way line.

I get the point you are making and it is valid. Pace is so important in the modern game. But it also depends on who else you have in your defence with pace.

Doyle may not be lightening quick but he isn't a complete cart horse. He covered McFadzean's arse with recovery runs on plenty of occasions when he was here.

 

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[Gibbo]

Big Mo

Doyle wasn't even the best centre back at the club while he was here

Faster than McFadz and more skillful than McNally but hey whatever.

 

[Jesse Carver]

This is what City and other teams in the Championship are competing with, a relegated PL team dropping £20m+ on a player from a rival club.

This would be a record transfer fee paid for a player in this division.

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I personally think if we can get Callum Doyle on a loan to buy for £10m, it would be a steal.

Wrexham apparently spending £7m to buy Broadhead from Ipswich too. He has one year left on his deal. Feels like crazy money.

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Faster than McFadz and more skillful than McNally but hey whatever.

I see Wrexham flashing the cash again just bought a player from Ipswich for £7.5 million.

 

[ptr]

It's gonna be BTA starting against Hull, isn't it??!!

Out of the options we have got…I would start him.

Think he’s more likely to grab a goal which would do his confidence the world of good.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But we played a very deep back line. The only reason pace is being mentioned is because of the high line we play. Of course you don’t need pace to a be a top cb but it’s probably an attribute Lampard will look for alongside Thomas.

Not a massive fan of the high line with Championship teams in general to be honest, whether it's pace or positional awareness, or turning the ball over in dangerous areas, it's asking for trouble and got us exactly that quite often.

If we continue just playing in the same way you could put Usain Bolt in defence, it won't stop us getting picked off so frequently.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Look no further than McFadzean playing in a back 3. Clearly very little pace in his legs but he had great positional awareness, communication and aerial strength.

But the back 3 is the important factor there.

When he was played in a two that lack of pace became a big problem.

I agree that positional awareness and anticipation are more important than having pace to recover but if you're playing a high line as FL seems to then having that pace as well becomes more important.

 

[Chicken Mcgraw]

Not a massive fan of the high line with Championship teams in general to be honest, whether it's pace or positional awareness, or turning the ball over in dangerous areas, it's asking for trouble and got us exactly that quite often.

If we continue just playing in the same way you could put Usain Bolt in defence, it won't stop us getting picked off so frequently.

I’m with you I don’t like it either.

Whatever centre half we bring in is going to have to contend with it. I don’t think it’s wild to suggest we’ll be looking for someone athletic but equally he could go down the ‘senior pro who can read the game’ route too. Have to wait and see

 

[Lamps]

He played around half the games he was available for Leicester. We were a mid table side like Norwich. We still are.

We finished 5th with him. How could that be mid table? Sunderland finished 5th with him. Leicester finished 1st with him playing over a 1/3 of their games.

Not bad for a 21 year old whichever way you try to put it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But the back 3 is the important factor there.

When he was played in a two that lack of pace became a big problem.

I agree that positional awareness and anticipation are more important than having pace to recover but if you're playing a high line as FL seems to then having that pace as well becomes more important.

As above, I'm not convinced we should exclusively be playing it in the first place. Strikes me as one of these elite level tactical trends that's come in, a bit like AAATB and cramming your own 6 yard box at corners, that works with elite or at least top end for the level players, but is asking for trouble when you lack either.

Only knowing one way of playing did for Lampard in his previous jobs in the second season.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

This notion that you need to be rapid to be a good centre half is bullshit peddled by people that have never played the game.
I would rather have a slower centre half who can read the game and is excellent positionally than a quick centre half who struggles with those attributes

Yeah I think if a CB has excellent IQ and as you say can read the game and anticipate danger well, then pace is somewhat irrelevant.

Mertesecker was a good example of this. At the top level he's probably one of the slowest centre backs in existence but his positional sense and general awareness were immense. I'm sure at the time Wenger still deployed a high line as well during his spell there which shows how good he actually was.

Problem is, at this level, the vast majority of CBs just don't have those qualities.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We finished 5th with him. How could that be mid table? Sunderland finished 5th with him. Leicester finished 1st with him playing over a 1/3 of their games.

Not bad for a 21 year old whichever way you try to put it.

Calling the top 6 as 'upper mid table' is an interesting take from him.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Faster than McFadz and more skillful than McNally but hey whatever.

He needed McFadz to coach him through games while he was here, at the time McFadz was our number one centre half.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He needed McFadz to coach him through games while he was here, at the time McFadz was our number one centre half.

The defence fell off a cliff when McF got injured then magically got solid again when he returned

 

[Lamps]

Big Mo

Doyle wasn't even the best centre back at the club while he was here

He was 18 when he joined us. Do you think he has improved since then?

 

[Lamps]

We’re upper mid table in the crowd 5-12.

Or on the other hand a top 5 club.....

 

[David O'Day]

Most defenders when their team is attacking get up to the half way line.

I get the point you are making and it is valid. Pace is so important in the modern game. But it also depends on who else you have in your defence with pace.

Doyle may not be lightening quick but he isn't a complete cart horse. He covered McFadzean's arse with recovery runs on plenty of occasions when he was here.

he's a great player but people are valid when they say is he suited to the current system

when he played for us he played as part of much deeper line so there was less space behind to cover and his recovery runs were shorter

 

[shmmeee]

Or on the other hand a top 5 club.....

That’s one very optimistic way of phrasing it. We’ve finished fifth twice. The point is the jump to 4th and likely promotion is a big one and will require better than we’ve got.

 

[Matt smith]

@bawtryneal strengthening the Centre half position?

 

[SBT]

He needed McFadz to coach him through games while he was here, at the time McFadz was our number one centre half.

He was 18 and playing at the highest level he’d ever played at, it’s hardly surprising he needed mentoring at the time!

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Are you sure !!

Might live to regret that comment in next 48 hours or so.

How many ITKs is that now xD

 

[fernandopartridge]

He was 18 when he joined us. Do you think he has improved since then?

What relevance does that have to the point that he was not the best centre back at the club at that time.

 

[Chicken Mcgraw]

How many ITKs is that now xD

I don’t this he is ITK but has some sort of connection up north. Can’t remember if it’s one of the Sheffield clubs or something.

 

[Matt smith]

How many ITKs is that now xD

I swear he called the Kitching transfer from Barnsley

ties in with @Chicken Mcgraw

 

[Chicken Mcgraw]

I swear he called the Kitching transfer

Might be Barnsley or Rotherham he’s close to or something can’t remember.

 

[Great_Expectations]

Playing in a 3 is very different to playing in a 2.

Pace does not make a defender good or bad, but is helpful, however can be mitigated by other factors eg positioning, awareness, pace in other defensive positions.

Doyle isn’t quick, but he’s got good experience at our level and it only 21. Bags of potential and is a ball playing CB, which will suit how we play and hopefully allow Grimes to play further forward.

£10m is way too much but £4m (the price we paid for Kitching….) with adds on if we go up, is an excellent deal.

 

[Lamps]

That’s one very optimistic way of phrasing it. We’ve finished fifth twice. The point is the jump to 4th and likely promotion is a big one and will require better than we’ve got.

If 5th twice and the closest offside call which was done in seconds when a bigger gap normally takes longer from an FA cup final in 3 seasons is said to be a mid table side I would put us as closer to a top 5 side

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I don’t this he is ITK but has some sort of connection up north. Can’t remember if it’s one of the Sheffield clubs or something.

Well in that case, I welcome our northern not itk. Hopefully he’s spot on

 

[fernandopartridge]

I don’t this he is ITK but has some sort of connection up north. Can’t remember if it’s one of the Sheffield clubs or something.

Rotherham

Though I think it's probably any of the south Yorkshire clubs.

 

[Chicken Mcgraw]

Rotherham

Though I think it's probably any of the south Yorkshire clubs.

Yeah that’s the one. I wonder what he’s heard

 

[Sick Boy]

I don’t this he is ITK but has some sort of connection up north. Can’t remember if it’s one of the Sheffield clubs or something.

Yeah I remember, it's one near Sheffield.

 

[shepardo01]

This is what City and other teams in the Championship are competing with, a relegated PL team dropping £20m+ on a player from a rival club.

This would be a record transfer fee paid for a player in this division.

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I personally think if we can get Callum Doyle on a loan to buy for £10m, it would be a steal.

Yep.... And people are serious about us being "top 2"!!!!

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Yep.... And people are serious about us being "top 2"!!!!

It's certainly not impossible, but very much improbable to be a top two side.

 

[long way home]

Be interested to see if Bidwell is involved tonight, he could be the next one out the door. Small fee would be a good but of business.

 

[Batu1969]

If Doyle isn’t the right replacement for LBC, what options are there for a better LCB than Binks with pace, under 25, and under £6M?