Were we though? One person's question "how much would it take to persuade you on xxx" suddenly becomes a firm offer on the gossip boards. I don't think they were anywhere close to smashing the club transfer record on an unproven CH. King just doesn't have that money to risk. His strategy hasn't changed it's 3 top 6 finishes in 5 years and hope that might be enough.We were bidding £10m on Charlie Hughes. Money wasn't an issue.
I love how our bid on Hughes during the window was "Why are you worried,we will sign players we have the money, we bid £10m on Hughes"We we though? One person's question "how much would it take to persuade you on xxx" suddenly becomes a firm offer on the gossip boards. I don't think they were anywhere close to smashing the club transfer record on an unproven CH. King just doesn't have that money to risk. His strategy hasn't changed it's 3 top 6 finishes in 5 years and hope that might be enough.
If we’d been offered to be in this situation at the start of the summer there’s no way anyone would have said no.
But many posters on here can't moan about state of football today considering they feel they were owed something on deadline day.He's a modern day Simon Cowell and everything that is wrong with football.
I've been consistent throughout. I don't believe we "bid" for Rushworth either when we found out they wanted £5+m.I love how our bid on Hughes during the window was "Why are you worried,we will sign players we have the money, we bid £10m on Hughes"
and when we dont sign anyone and the window closes its
"How do you know we actually bid? It might have just been a question to them"
That was my other thought. Woolfenden began weeks ago, now it seems that he’s doing the final tidying, slimming the club down ready to sellI really think this will be the last season with King.
He's finally united the Stadium and the club which will strengthen his investment and resale value.
Hes limited his investment in assets that have a greater chance to depreciate quickly in players.
I think his CBO will be sourcing a buyer throughout this year.
He now has the stadium, a decent manager and infrastructure, a small but neat squad. He is certainly pruning it into a nice package to sell to somebody.That was my other thought. Woolfenden began weeks ago, now it seems that he’s doing the final tidying, slimming the club down ready to sell
I thought about this when we bought the stadium. The ground loses money, ultimately it’s an asset for the total package. Doesn’t make sense to buy it until the last possible moment - is it potential the 15m was a deposit of sorts, most takeovers require such a depositHe now has the stadium, a decent manager and infrastructure, a small but neat squad. He is certainly pruning it into a nice package to sell to somebody.
I also meant owning the stadium, which pretty much seems to have been forgotten.This is exactly it.
We've held on to our main players and signed a few, whilst having a very successful offload of those that are largely surplus to requirements. It's a window we all would have taken at the start.
The problem is the way they've handled it at the end, and the deflated feeling that it has left. It's come across, to me at least, as a bit lazy.
I still think we have a great squad, and believe we can be competitive for a playoff place this season, but a couple more in would have been nice.
I thought about this when we bought the stadium. The ground loses money, ultimately it’s an asset for the total package. Doesn’t make sense to buy it until the last possible moment - is it potential the 15m was a deposit of sorts, most takeovers require such a deposit
Possibly - but it’s a big asset to invest in and as we’ve seen, needs some maintenance investment.Ground has lost money but I'm sure part of that is because it's been run by people who don't know how to run it (the council), don't have the funds to run it properly (a rugby club) or aren't too bothered about running it well (Frasers).
Doug and the club will need to make money from it. They'll put more effort into making it a place people want to host events and concerts.
I think it's a mixture of managing the wage bill and getting the necessary playing time for the young players. King will sell at some point but I don't think it's in his immediate plans (unless he got a silly offer perhaps). The new players are still getting extended contracts for example.That was my other thought. Woolfenden began weeks ago, now it seems that he’s doing the final tidying, slimming the club down ready to sell
Assuming we go up is a silly assumption to make when holding an investment. We could be in the same position in 10 years time.Maybe. But what has he said or done to imply that he is in it for a quick turnaround and profit? He has never taken the short-term route. And if that really is his intention, then investing in a football team is not the most reliable way to make money.
But assuming that is his goal, surely the year we go up is when the big money appears. The stadium is only a stepping stone.
Assuming we go up is a silly assumption to make when holding an investment. We could be in the same position in 10 years time.
I really think this will be the last season with King.
He's finally united the Stadium and the club which will strengthen his investment and resale value.
Hes limited his investment in assets that have a greater chance to depreciate quickly in players.
I think his CBO will be sourcing a buyer throughout this year.
Think it’s more when Doug first came in - everything appeared to be in a 5 year period - the rental agreement, the contracts play offs in 3/5 years.Maybe. But what has he said or done to imply that he is in it for a quick turnaround and profit? He has never taken the short-term route. And if that really is his intention, then investing in a football team is not the most reliable way to make money.
But assuming that is his goal, surely the year we go up is when the big money appears. The stadium is only a stepping stone.
Our only player now that’s gonna have a contract expiry is Jamie Allen. Which wont be a big financial loss.I think it's a mixture of managing the wage bill and getting the necessary playing time for the young players. King will sell at some point but I don't think it's in his immediate plans (unless he got a silly offer perhaps). The new players are still getting extended contracts for example.
I think the club was valued at around £150m even before the stadium deal.what he has done is tidied the club up, wiped the debts and paired it with its home. The club now has gone from worthless to possibly worth over 100m in 1 night.
Think it’s more when Doug first came in - everything appeared to be in a 5 year period - the rental agreement, the contracts play offs in 3/5 years.
Yes. This is a big season for the club or we're into another rebuild I think with Rudi MVE and Haji probably all moving onOur only player now that’s gonna have a contract expiry is Jamie Allen. Which wont be a big financial loss.
next year will be first raft of big name players. The contracts are going to go up sharply
Based on the 15m for 10% of shares? We don’t know where that money come fromI think the club was valued at around £150m even before the stadium deal.
Yes a club without a stadium wouldnt be valued to a buyer at £150m, half of that if lucky.Based on the 15m for 10% of shares? We don’t know where that money come from
It is - but football isn’t a normal business is it. If you can make money on it it’s best to get out asap.A five year plan is pretty standard in business and politics.
That’s the worry. Unless we get promoted this season there is no way that Wright, Rudoni and van Ewijk are here at the end of next summer and then it’s another big rebuild.Yes. This is a big season for the club or we're into another rebuild I think with Rudi MVE and Haji probably all moving on
Hes limited his investment in assets that have a greater chance to depreciate quickly in players.
Yes and made worse by the change from U23 to U21 competition. It generally leaves the older academy lads in limboMore than likely we’ll play with two 8s again this year at some point so think you’ll be correct.
It is a shame but the step up from academy to championship is huge.
I wasn't thinking of that because that's new.Based on the 15m for 10% of shares? We don’t know where that money come from
Burnley went for what 80m? We’re not worth anything near 250m.I wasn't thinking of that because that's new.
If you imagine that promotion and parachute money brings in well over £100m on its own, while we have players under collectively worth a good bit on the open transfer market, a club considered to be oin the up with a pretty big and loyal fan base in a 1 club city.
It wouldn't surprise me if the club isn't "worth" £250-300m with the stadium, even as a top 6 championship club. That's how he's able to get the investment to buy the stadium.
Sheffield United only sold for £100m last christmas.I wasn't thinking of that because that's new.
If you imagine that promotion and parachute money brings in well over £100m on its own, while we have players under collectively worth a good bit on the open transfer market, a club considered to be oin the up with a pretty big and loyal fan base in a 1 club city.
It wouldn't surprise me if the club isn't "worth" £250-300m with the stadium, even as a top 6 championship club. That's how he's able to get the investment to buy the stadium.
Its honestly mental.Burnley went for what 80m? We’re not worth anything near 250m.
isn’t Doug also a hedge fund manager? They’re not known for long term are they
It is - but football isn’t a normal business is it. If you can make money on it it’s best to get out asap.
At the moment Doug is at his reputational highest point with an investment that can go for whatever he wants.
That relationship can turn sour in a day…. See yesterday
You're expected to use the loan system these days but fans don't like seeing young talent going to L2 or L1 or even Scotland! Just look at the reaction to Rapha but the lad needs to play every week at this stage.Yes and made worse by the change from U23 to U21 competition. It generally leaves the older academy lads in limbo
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