Couldn't agree more. Too often we seem to be thinking that each of the back 4 need to touch the ball as it is moved from one side of the pitch over to the other. Surely there are times where we can miss out at least one of the 2 CB's and get it moving a bit quicker.To be honest, none of our strikers are particularly proficient against teams which deploy a low block.
Undoubtedly it's also something the coaching staff need to look at from a tactical standpoint as to break a low block ultimately you need to move the ball quickly using width to stretch the defence, exploiting overloads in wide areas taking on defenders and have your striker/s making runs in behind.
We don't do this which is why you often just get this side to side pendulum swing until we lose the ball and get caught on the counter - see Derby away.
the issue is that if you play the ball forward to quickly the defensive is still in shape, the idea is play it about an try and make a defender leave a gapCouldn't agree more. Too often we seem to be thinking that each of the back 4 need to touch the ball as it is moved from one side of the pitch over to the other. Surely there are times where we can miss out at least one of the 2 CB's and get it moving a bit quicker.
There is again a distinction between just lumping it forward versus quick passes up the pitch with some off the ball movement.the issue is that if you play the ball forward to quickly the defensive is still in shape, the idea is play it about an try and make a defender leave a gap
if we play too vertically we'll just find the defence sat in 2 banks of 4 or 5 and a 4. This means there is much less space to attack
The circumstances of the Middlesbrough game suited him perfectly, where they'd pushed right up looking for an equaliser. More often than not we're playing against teams defending a lot deeper, and he just doesn't have the right skills to be particularly effective against that.
BTA really has to start to make a tangible contribution to a game. I can't be bothered to find the stats but I'd imagine he started the majority of games during that season for West Brom.
Apart from the Middlesbrough game at the end of last season I don't actually remember a time where he had any impact when coming off the bench. He's not clinical enough really to be that kind of player.
If we're going to play inverted wingers like we do, we absolutely need more goals from them. Saka's 4 goals in 42 league games isn't good enough at all if we're serious about being a real threat in the league this season.I don’t know too much about BTA from his WBA days but I agree with these assessments based on his time with us. In his and Simms’ defence, they formed a good partnership with a lot of goals in the Jan-Feb run where we played 5-3-2.
For me, given that all of our strikers have struggled in a 4-2-3-1 (including Wright), there’s clearly something tactical going on there.
We need more out wide in terms of goal contributions but even in our build up play, we often pass back rather than taking opposition fullbacks and it’s always going to hard for strikers if they’re surrounded by 2-4 players in the box when everyone is set.
I don’t know too much about BTA from his WBA days but I agree with these assessments based on his time with us. In his and Simms’ defence, they formed a good partnership with a lot of goals in the Jan-Feb run where we played 5-3-2.
For me, given that all of our strikers have struggled in a 4-2-3-1 (including Wright), there’s clearly something tactical going on there.
We need more out wide in terms of goal contributions but even in our build up play, we often pass back rather than taking opposition fullbacks and it’s always going to hard for strikers if they’re surrounded by 2-4 players in the box when everyone is set.
not true, the issue isn't passing it sideways it is that the players in the attacking half don't move the defenders about with their runsThere is again a distinction between just lumping it forward versus quick passes up the pitch with some off the ball movement.
Slow tempo sideways stuff just allows the opposition to sit and watch while nothing happens.
What game was that?
not true, the issue isn't passing it sideways it is that the players in the attacking half don't move the defenders about with their runs
nah, we not that slow but we can seem it due to us having to play extra passes due to there being nothing open up frontThat, and if you look at the rate at which we move the ball it's painfully slow which just allows the opposition defence to position themselves accordingly, cut passing lanes and keep tight to our attacking players, ultimately squashing our ability to create opportunities.
A ball moves quicker than a player, so if our outlet is to push the ball wide, tempo is everything.
Moved the ball quicker against BRFC. Sheaf seems to slow things down when he’s on the ball.That, and if you look at the rate at which we move the ball it's painfully slow which just allows the opposition defence to position themselves accordingly, cut passing lanes and keep tight to our attacking players, ultimately squashing our ability to create opportunities.
A ball moves quicker than a player, so if our outlet is to push the ball wide, tempo is everything.
Tempo and diagonals and a centre forward who can link the play …That, and if you look at the rate at which we move the ball it's painfully slow which just allows the opposition defence to position themselves accordingly, cut passing lanes and keep tight to our attacking players, ultimately squashing our ability to create opportunities.
A ball moves quicker than a player, so if our outlet is to push the ball wide, tempo is everything.
nah, we not that slow but we can seem it due to us having to play extra passes due to there being nothing open up front
I don’t know too much about BTA from his WBA days but I agree with these assessments based on his time with us. In his and Simms’ defence, they formed a good partnership with a lot of goals in the Jan-Feb run where we played 5-3-2.
For me, given that all of our strikers have struggled in a 4-2-3-1 (including Wright), there’s clearly something tactical going on there.
We need more out wide in terms of goal contributions but even in our build up play, we often pass back rather than taking opposition fullbacks and it’s always going to hard for strikers if they’re surrounded by 2-4 players in the box when everyone is set.
You need both the ball and the players to be moving to drag opponents out of position. The antidote to the Russell Martin type way of playing is to sit back and not take the bait.not true, the issue isn't passing it sideways it is that the players in the attacking half don't move the defenders about with their runs
I mean we scored a ridiculous amount from crosses into the box to be fair.Think we've got to be more confident and take some more shots, too many times passing it round edge of opponents box, trying to get wide to put in a cross to a then absolutely jam packed area.
(I exclude Sheaf from the above opinion... Please stop)
I guess I was thinking more especially against those teams mentioned above who just completely sat in. Derby, Plymouth and Portsmouth who no coincidence were some of our worst performances. Yet it feels like if we had snatched a goal early on we would have controlled each one of them very comfortably if they had to come out back at us.I mean we scored a ridiculous amount from crosses into the box to be fair.
Derby and Plymouth we started strongly, didn’t capitalise, then got sucked in to a scrap from which the garbage opposition got what they wanted. Very similar narratives in both gamesI guess I was thinking more especially against those teams mentioned above who just completely sat in. Derby, Plymouth and Portsmouth who no coincidence were some of our worst performances. Yet it feels like if we had snatched a goal early on we would have controlled each one of them very comfortably if they had to come out back at us.
I still think part of the better movement is that central forward being willing to drop off and get on the ball (a 'false 9' if you like). None of our forwards look like they'd be comfortable doing that though.
The "slowness" will be solve by better movement
Take for example the game vs Bristol Rovers, KKH inverts and makes a great run and grimes picks him out for the goal. Most of last season the forward 5 or 6 players are very static and at best run sideways in front of the defence. It was promising that instead of the full back continuing to always overlap they have started to sometimes invert and underlap as this just makes it much harder to defend.
I still think part of the better movement is that central forward being willing to drop off and get on the ball (a 'false 9' if you like). None of our forwards look like they'd be comfortable doing that though.
Anyone would think this was a forum where you can discuss your opinions on players, tactics etcI love reading all of those who think they know better than Lampard on how we should set up
Agree with this. I only managed to catch the second half of the Bristol Rovers game, but i noticed 3 occasions when we had to chance to pick a pass forward and they weren't executed. Twice Simms made good runs and once from Raphael, the ball to Raphael was played behind him which meant he had to check back, and the other two, we chose to turn and pass backwards. When Grimes eventually did try and break those lines, we score.I don’t know too much about BTA from his WBA days but I agree with these assessments based on his time with us. In his and Simms’ defence, they formed a good partnership with a lot of goals in the Jan-Feb run where we played 5-3-2.
For me, given that all of our strikers have struggled in a 4-2-3-1 (including Wright), there’s clearly something tactical going on there.
We need more out wide in terms of goal contributions but even in our build up play, we often pass back rather than taking opposition fullbacks and it’s always going to hard for strikers if they’re surrounded by 2-4 players in the box when everyone is set.
If it’s happeningHopefully we can agree wages with Bertaccini quick and he can be in the squad for St Pauli
Jimmy has just said it isIf it’s happening
Think it doesn’t help we are yet to see Torp and Rudoni in the same line up for. What I can see, Torp‘s influence made a huge difference in the middle especially against SunderlandGoing by the friendlies so far we’re setting up the same as last season, ball out wide and crosses into the box, hopefully we’ll bring a couple more in so we’ll have a plan b else we’ll be very predictable again , just sit deep against us and counter ?
He didn’? Unless I’ve missed it just says someone like himJimmy has just said it is
I haven't heard anything, was just using him as an example. He sounds like the type of player we would benefit from bringing in though. I hope it's something we are working on.Jimmy has just said it is
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