25/26 January Transfer Window (15 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

i doubt that’s the case here. When Robins left us the guy hadn’t even scored a goal in sweden yet.

The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.

 

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[CovRes]

The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.

It depends on if it helps the case you're arguing, or not.

 

[shmmeee]

The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.

Before King: yes
After King: no

 

[ptr]

Cozier-Duberry please.

 

[blunted]

Always thought the likelihood of Stoke and us being in for the same players may be high.
Pretty sure Robins would have been fully aware of Austin's list of potential targets....

Stoke unfortunately have more money than us. Minted owners.

 

[blunted]

It depends on if it helps the case you're arguing, or not.

I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.
Managers and coaches have major input, but not the absolute final say, as many on here believe.
Now disclosed today, that we were courting Grimes in 2023. Yet some people still maintain buying him was a Lampard masterstroke.
Definitely not trying to devalue what Lampard has brought to the club, just pointing out that this is the way football is organised now.

 

[covcity4life]

2-3 in. It's not a desperate situation

1 centre.mid
1(2 if lucky)winger

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.
Managers and coaches have major input, but not the absolute final say, as many on here believe.
Now disclosed today, that we were courting Grimes in 2023. Yet some people still maintain buying him was a Lampard masterstroke.
Definitely not trying to devalue what Lampard has brought to the club, just pointing out that this is the way football is organised now.

Still think it's mad that the person who has to pick the team, tactics and coach the players doesn't get the final say on who those players might be. Instead someone detached day to day from that is.

Of course a manager can screw up signings. If they screw up too many they should get the sack, and poor signings leading to poor results would probably see to that. But a director of football and scouting team could screw up signings too. And IMO are more likely to compared to a manager and his coaching staff. If a manager is old-fashioned and doesn't want to use the data and analytic tools at the club's disposal, then fire them (or don't hire them in the first place), but if they're getting on board with that and listen to what the scouts/data says, why shouldn't they then get to choose which players out of that the club sign.

DoF can get involved with the business details of transfer and player contracts (pretty much doing what a CEO/COO would do at a smaller club) and can run any specific players requested by the manager through the scouting team and choose whether to pursue it, but a manager should ALWAYS have veto on any signings suggested by the scouting team/DoF.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

2-3 in. It's not a desperate situation

1 centre.mid
1(2 if lucky)winger

Almost at the point of not bringing too many in to mess with the squad
However a real opportunity to bring in 2-3 very very good players

 

[Viktor17]

Almost at the point of not bringing too many in to mess with the squad
However I real opportunity to bring in 2-3 very very good players

Good point.

part of success is the tight squad. So going to be really key who we bring in, what’s their mentality.

as above 2-3 real bits of quality wide and in midfield key

 

[CovRes]

Still think it's mad that the person who has to pick the team, tactics and coach the players doesn't get the final say on who those players might be. Instead someone detached day to day from that is.

Of course a manager can screw up signings. If they screw up too many they should get the sack, and poor signings leading to poor results would probably see to that. But a director of football and scouting team could screw up signings too. And IMO are more likely to compared to a manager and his coaching staff. If a manager is old-fashioned and doesn't want to use the data and analytic tools at the club's disposal, then fire them (or don't hire them in the first place), but if they're getting on board with that and listen to what the scouts/data says, why shouldn't they then get to choose which players out of that the club sign.

DoF can get involved with the business details of transfer and player contracts (pretty much doing what a CEO/COO would do at a smaller club) and can run any specific players requested by the manager through the scouting team and choose whether to pursue it, but a manager should ALWAYS have veto on any signings suggested by the scouting team/DoF.

Didn't King at the post sacking forum deny that Robins didn't get the final say? Adding that it would be pointless to sign someone that the manager/coach didn't want.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Didn't King at the post sacking forum deny that Robins didn't get the final say? Adding that it would be pointless to sign someone that the manager/coach didn't want.

It was more a comment about how football (especially at the top clubs) is now rather than about us specifically.

 

[shmmeee]

Good point.

part of success is the tight squad. So going to be really key who we bring in, what’s their mentality.

as above 2-3 real bits of quality wide and in midfield key

3 players who can cover the three behind Wright and Torp between them would be perfect.

 

[skyblue_55]

What type of player would Frank /Dean be now looking at ?
Are we in a position that has took a lot of people by surprise , so to reinforce our playing squad , are these new acquisitions, going to be premier league quality , so our transition is easier , come the big day ?

 

[Deity]

I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.
Managers and coaches have major input, but not the absolute final say, as many on here believe.
Now disclosed today, that we were courting Grimes in 2023. Yet some people still maintain buying him was a Lampard masterstroke.
Definitely not trying to devalue what Lampard has brought to the club, just pointing out that this is the way football is organised now.

I think this is not quite right.

Yes the power and approach has shifted totally from the days of a manager and a few scouts watching matches in midweek as a way to identify and recruit players. Those days are gone.

But Robins and Lampard did / do have the final say on whether a recommended player joins the club. However given the international nature of the market now all managers are now much more vulnerable to the recommendations of the head of recruitment. Many will be players they had not heard of or watched when the recruitment team first mentioned them at a meeting.

Grimes is not evidence that they don’t have Final say Grimes is evidence that he was a long term target of the recruitment team that both Robins and Lampard wanted. For varying reasons he joined us under Lampard.

 

[shmmeee]

I think this is not quite right.

Yes the power and approach has shifted totally from the days of a manager and a few scouts watching matches in midweek as a way to identify and recruit players. Those days are gone.

But Robins and Lampard did / do have the final say on whether a recommended player joins the club. However given the international nature of the market now all managers are now much more vulnerable to the recommendations of the head of recruitment. Many will be players they had not heard of or watched when the recruitment team first mentioned them at a meeting.

Grimes is not evidence that they don’t have Final say Grimes is evidence that he was a long term target of the recruitment team that both Robins and Lampard wanted. For varying reasons he joined us under Lampard.

I guarantee Bassette was forced on Robins. You could tell from day one. What’s been said is managers are involved in the final decision but they don’t have veto power or anything. You can tell from most of the answers managers give on players the aren’t someone they’ve scouted and want. The DoF/head of recruitment is absolutely the biggest factor in signings under this model.

 

[Gibbo]

I am astounded how radically the business model has changed. Grimes was a major break - 29 and over £3m. We used to suffer vertigo if it went as high as £1m. Since then we have spent more than we spent on Grimes on two players who are essentially back ups - KKH and Woolfie.

We will never know whether that was a condition for Frank accepting the job, or DK had it in his mind already, or a bit of both. But the change in business model and the acquisition of the ground means the numbers are being looked at in an entirely different way. And yet the basic numbers underpinning the club's finances have not changed fundamentally. Bigger gates and better commercial exploitation of those gates, but it's been explained, I think by Grendel, what a relatively small part they play overall. An extra 5k fans does not make that much difference.

Either way we are fishing in a different pond now.,

...but I would like to see another defensive midfielder to compete with Grimes and Torp. Essentially a Sheaf replacement.
Anything else waits until summer

 

[shmmeee]

I am astounded how radically the business model has changed. Grimes was a major break - 29 and over £3m. We used to suffer vertigo if it went as high as £1m. Since then we have spent more than we spent on Grimes on two players who are essentially back ups - KKH and Woolfie.

We will never know whether that was a condition for Frank accepting the job, or DK had it in his mind already, or a bit of both. But the change in business model and the acquisition of the ground means the numbers are being looked at in an entirely different way. And yet the basic numbers underpinning the club's finances have not changed fundamentally. Bigger gates and better commercial exploitation of those gates, but it's been explained, I think by Grendel, what a relatively small part they play overall. An extra 5k fans does not make that much difference.

Either way we are fishing in a different pond now.,

...but I would like to see another defensive midfielder to compete with Grimes and Torp. Essentially a Sheaf replacement.
Anything else waits until summer

Again. We started going after grimes in 2023. People need to stop making up narratives.