25/26 January Transfer Window (10 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

i doubt that’s the case here. When Robins left us the guy hadn’t even scored a goal in sweden yet.

The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.

 

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[CovRes]

The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.

It depends on if it helps the case you're arguing, or not.

 

[shmmeee]

The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.

Before King: yes
After King: no

 

[ptr]

Cozier-Duberry please.

 

[blunted]

Always thought the likelihood of Stoke and us being in for the same players may be high.
Pretty sure Robins would have been fully aware of Austin's list of potential targets....

Stoke unfortunately have more money than us. Minted owners.

 

[blunted]

It depends on if it helps the case you're arguing, or not.

I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.
Managers and coaches have major input, but not the absolute final say, as many on here believe.
Now disclosed today, that we were courting Grimes in 2023. Yet some people still maintain buying him was a Lampard masterstroke.
Definitely not trying to devalue what Lampard has brought to the club, just pointing out that this is the way football is organised now.

 

[covcity4life]

2-3 in. It's not a desperate situation

1 centre.mid
1(2 if lucky)winger

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.
Managers and coaches have major input, but not the absolute final say, as many on here believe.
Now disclosed today, that we were courting Grimes in 2023. Yet some people still maintain buying him was a Lampard masterstroke.
Definitely not trying to devalue what Lampard has brought to the club, just pointing out that this is the way football is organised now.

Still think it's mad that the person who has to pick the team, tactics and coach the players doesn't get the final say on who those players might be. Instead someone detached day to day from that is.

Of course a manager can screw up signings. If they screw up too many they should get the sack, and poor signings leading to poor results would probably see to that. But a director of football and scouting team could screw up signings too. And IMO are more likely to compared to a manager and his coaching staff. If a manager is old-fashioned and doesn't want to use the data and analytic tools at the club's disposal, then fire them (or don't hire them in the first place), but if they're getting on board with that and listen to what the scouts/data says, why shouldn't they then get to choose which players out of that the club sign.

DoF can get involved with the business details of transfer and player contracts (pretty much doing what a CEO/COO would do at a smaller club) and can run any specific players requested by the manager through the scouting team and choose whether to pursue it, but a manager should ALWAYS have veto on any signings suggested by the scouting team/DoF.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

2-3 in. It's not a desperate situation

1 centre.mid
1(2 if lucky)winger

Almost at the point of not bringing too many in to mess with the squad
However a real opportunity to bring in 2-3 very very good players

 

[Viktor17]

Almost at the point of not bringing too many in to mess with the squad
However I real opportunity to bring in 2-3 very very good players

Good point.

part of success is the tight squad. So going to be really key who we bring in, what’s their mentality.

as above 2-3 real bits of quality wide and in midfield key

 

[CovRes]

Still think it's mad that the person who has to pick the team, tactics and coach the players doesn't get the final say on who those players might be. Instead someone detached day to day from that is.

Of course a manager can screw up signings. If they screw up too many they should get the sack, and poor signings leading to poor results would probably see to that. But a director of football and scouting team could screw up signings too. And IMO are more likely to compared to a manager and his coaching staff. If a manager is old-fashioned and doesn't want to use the data and analytic tools at the club's disposal, then fire them (or don't hire them in the first place), but if they're getting on board with that and listen to what the scouts/data says, why shouldn't they then get to choose which players out of that the club sign.

DoF can get involved with the business details of transfer and player contracts (pretty much doing what a CEO/COO would do at a smaller club) and can run any specific players requested by the manager through the scouting team and choose whether to pursue it, but a manager should ALWAYS have veto on any signings suggested by the scouting team/DoF.

Didn't King at the post sacking forum deny that Robins didn't get the final say? Adding that it would be pointless to sign someone that the manager/coach didn't want.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Didn't King at the post sacking forum deny that Robins didn't get the final say? Adding that it would be pointless to sign someone that the manager/coach didn't want.

It was more a comment about how football (especially at the top clubs) is now rather than about us specifically.

 

[shmmeee]

Good point.

part of success is the tight squad. So going to be really key who we bring in, what’s their mentality.

as above 2-3 real bits of quality wide and in midfield key

3 players who can cover the three behind Wright and Torp between them would be perfect.