shmmeee
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No because he’s literally not playing 90 mins right now because of his lack of fitness and has had several periods out of the team already. If you don’t think we need another option fine but I suspect Lampard does.
The first statement is incorrect because Eccles, Sakamoto and Rudoni have missed more games. Haji Wright has played less minutes too, there's probably others. In any case, Torp is on course to comfortably surpass 2.5k minutes this season, so does your point become redundant if he hits 2.8-3k minutes this season? The sample size is also only 1 full season so you're jumping to conclusions.
Sakamoto only just surpassed 2.5k (2,588) minutes last season and I'm not seeing anyone question whether or not he can hack it in England.
I mean, that’s just not true is it.Bar tackles and interceptions, his numbers are better this season than at his peak in 22/23 with us!
Or we could sign one... or two.We won’t sign anyone I don’t think
And even if they do have massive TV income, they want as much PSR headroom as they can get.It’s not that they need it, it’s that players like Esse will have multiple suitors and some will be prepared to offer more money.
I mean, that’s just not true is it.
Fascinated by your ability to completely warp statistics to bring yourself to an opinion you’re so confident on.
Let's be honest, it would have been huge to bring on ready made champ quality in Mehemeti in place of EMC or Rudoni in matches, instead we have Yang who's not trusted for a single minute in the league yet.Absolutely not bothered about Mehmeti signing for Ipswich. Decent enough player, but petulant and not better than what we already have. Goes missing in a lot of games.
Read it and weep.I mean, that’s just not true is it.
Fascinated by your ability to completely warp statistics to bring yourself to an opinion you’re so confident on.
I’ve said we need another profile… It’s got nothing to do with Torp ‘not being able to play in England’ which is just nonsense.No because he’s literally not playing 90 mins right now because of his lack of fitness and has had several periods out of the team already. If you don’t think we need another option fine but I suspect Lampard does.
Obviously the raw totals are higher… how else do you compare a player who’s played 1,198 minutes versus the same person playing 3,476? That’s without considering that they’re playing in different positions.Unfortunately the comparison data in FotMob isn’t particularly comprehensive/strong; I don’t know why when they clearly have the data. But anyway…
Hamer in 22/23:
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Hamer this season:
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Kitching, EMC, WoolfendenSeems unlikely that we will get anyone else if our first midfield target fell through. Doesn’t feel like Doug really favours a last minute chase to get someone through the door - assume that’s when you overpay .
We don't set up with one target then pack it in if that doesn't work. The recruitment team will have a huge list I imagine, with it being tiered from most desirable to least.Seems unlikely that we will get anyone else if our first midfield target fell through. Doesn’t feel like Doug really favours a last minute chase to get someone through the door - assume that’s when you overpay .
Obviously the raw totals are higher… how else do you compare a player who’s played 1,198 minutes versus the same person playing 3,476? That’s without considering that they’re playing in different positions.
You’d hope a player who’s played 2,278 more minutes would have the higher raw totals!
In any case, the original point was that Hamer isn’t going to play CM for us and his numbers wouldn’t magically get better just playing deeper. It’s pretty clear he isn’t the same player stylistically as was with us.
What’s ironic, is that the interceptions and tackles dropping off is the operative point here… they’re the key defensive stats for a CM.
Exactly, and the per 90 shows that Hamer’s numbers are higher. So the data isn’t warped, it’s a matter of fact.A) it’s ‘per 90’ data.
B) interceptions and tackles are also more common in the middle of the pitch rather than on the left wing.
The only thing you are right about here is that we might not get anybody.Seems unlikely that we will get anyone else if our first midfield target fell through. Doesn’t feel like Doug really favours a last minute chase to get someone through the door - assume that’s when you overpay .
They're doing OK now.It has the Wrexham OAP home written all over it
Kitching, EMC, Woolfenden
Exactly, and the per 90 shows that Hamer’s numbers are higher. So the data isn’t warped, it’s a matter of fact.
On your second point, Wilder wouldn’t be playing Hamer LW/AM if he was his most trustworthy defensive player. This where posters lime yourself are getting the symptom and the cause the wrong way around. Hamer played CM in the Prem and ever since, has played further forward where the defensive duties, specifically tackles and interceptions are lighter.
Bar tackles and interceptions, his numbers are better this season than at his peak in 22/23 with us!
Not every transaction in football is about money though is it? Especially when it comes to loans. A lot more will go in to loaning a player out than "which club will pay us more"!It’s not that they need it, it’s that players like Esse will have multiple suitors and some will be prepared to offer more money.
But it also means that loans DO happen without fees. So like i said, in reply to somebody saying hes already paid for the ground (which he hasnt) and fees for the Esse loan (where the proof he has?).Part of Hull's transfer embargo is, or so it has been reported, is that they cannot pay loan fees for a player. Why would would a practice that doesn't happen be embargoed?
Plus, loan fees are regularly reported on, such as this from Sky Sports transfer page.
Seen Minny mentioned a lot above so thought id pass on a nugget
He is a decent player, looks good in training, club happy with him, Lampard just feels he needs to adjust a bit more to our system on the training pitch. Hes gone from a club who are fighting relegation and playing pretty direct stuff to a fast flowing side at the top of the league.
He will get minutes, just needs to bed in a bit
We could do with another player or two. But the players we're after are top Championship or average Prem players and they're not as easy to sign as an average squad player.Any excuse to back Doug not spending a penny so far, it’s 1 player we need not 10 ffs
You started this off saying:
and yet the data shows that his ‘duels won’ and (most importantly) ‘recoveries’ were significantly higher in his last season with us than this season. I’m setting aside the fact that tackles and interceptions are already quite a big part of being a centre mid.
But your real kicker all along was “well Wilder doesn’t play him centre mid”. Fine, whatever. Why blabber on about his defensive stats then when you know it’s no comparing like with like?
I'm not sure that anyone said that loans always come with a loan fee. They are common though, especially if a player is in demand.But it also means that loans DO happen without fees. So like i said, in reply to somebody saying hes already paid for the ground (which he hasnt) and fees for the Esse loan (where the proof he has?).
I also dont know how reliable Transfermarkt is? But according to that hull signed Amir Hadziahmetovic and under fee it says "Loan Fee: €700k". Next to both Esse and Minny it just says "loan transfer".
So ok, loan fees are a thing id never head of. But either way, it was in response to somebody saying we cant call for doug to splash out as hes already splashed out buying the ground and paying a fee for esse. The first is simply not true and the second has no evidence to back it up. So I stand by the calls for doug to splash the cash and buy us the promotion we're ever so close to achieving.
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Following our polite enquiry and Wilder's press conference words about not playing Gus, I'm curiously optimistic we're going to sign him
Following our polite enquiry and Wilder's press conference words about not playing Gus, I'm curiously optimistic we're going to sign him
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