25/26 January Transfer Window (113 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

The first statement is incorrect because Eccles, Sakamoto and Rudoni have missed more games. Haji Wright has played less minutes too, there's probably others. In any case, Torp is on course to comfortably surpass 2.5k minutes this season, so does your point become redundant if he hits 2.8-3k minutes this season? The sample size is also only 1 full season so you're jumping to conclusions.

Sakamoto only just surpassed 2.5k (2,588) minutes last season and I'm not seeing anyone question whether or not he can hack it in England.

No because he’s literally not playing 90 mins right now because of his lack of fitness and has had several periods out of the team already. If you don’t think we need another option fine but I suspect Lampard does.

 

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[SBAndy]

Bar tackles and interceptions, his numbers are better this season than at his peak in 22/23 with us!

I mean, that’s just not true is it.

Fascinated by your ability to completely warp statistics to bring yourself to an opinion you’re so confident on.

 

[lord_garrincha]

We won’t sign anyone I don’t think

Or we could sign one... or two.

Should cover it til the end of the month.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s not that they need it, it’s that players like Esse will have multiple suitors and some will be prepared to offer more money.

And even if they do have massive TV income, they want as much PSR headroom as they can get.

 

[shmmeee]

I mean, that’s just not true is it.

Fascinated by your ability to completely warp statistics to bring yourself to an opinion you’re so confident on.

He is by far the most confidently wrong poster on here and that takes some doing.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Absolutely not bothered about Mehmeti signing for Ipswich. Decent enough player, but petulant and not better than what we already have. Goes missing in a lot of games.

Let's be honest, it would have been huge to bring on ready made champ quality in Mehemeti in place of EMC or Rudoni in matches, instead we have Yang who's not trusted for a single minute in the league yet.

Mehmeti is exactly the kind of signing teams who get promoted make at this time of year.

We've made one signing of significance in Esse so King has a huge job for the last week.

 

[Tommo1993]

Wilder just needs to come out and say Gus is a bit of a shit c**t who won’t shut up about Samoan Joe’s, stop wasting everyone’s time with passive words.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I mean, that’s just not true is it.

Fascinated by your ability to completely warp statistics to bring yourself to an opinion you’re so confident on.

Read it and weep.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No because he’s literally not playing 90 mins right now because of his lack of fitness and has had several periods out of the team already. If you don’t think we need another option fine but I suspect Lampard does.

I’ve said we need another profile… It’s got nothing to do with Torp ‘not being able to play in England’ which is just nonsense.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Imagine if we could assemble a group of players to get us to the top of the league. Surely we need all sorts in this window? We’ve added 2. Lost no one (the stat no one wants to mention) and it’s probable we’ll add a CM. We don’t need anything else. As for Mehmeti - no thanks

 

[skybluecam]

3 kebabs on the grill
Garlic sauce still steaming
Sheff United’s fitness team
Couldn’t stop him eating

He’s coming home,
He’s coming home,
He’s coming
Hamer’s coming home!

 

[SBAndy]

Read it and weep.

Unfortunately the comparison data in FotMob isn’t particularly comprehensive/strong; I don’t know why when they clearly have the data. But anyway…

Hamer in 22/23:


Hamer this season:

 

[SkyBluePower]

Seems unlikely that we will get anyone else if our first midfield target fell through. Doesn’t feel like Doug really favours a last minute chase to get someone through the door - assume that’s when you overpay .

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Unfortunately the comparison data in FotMob isn’t particularly comprehensive/strong; I don’t know why when they clearly have the data. But anyway…

Hamer in 22/23:
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Hamer this season:
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Obviously the raw totals are higher… how else do you compare a player who’s played 1,198 minutes versus the same person playing 3,476? That’s without considering that they’re playing in different positions.

You’d hope a player who’s played 2,278 more minutes would have the higher raw totals!

In any case, the original point was that Hamer isn’t going to play CM for us and his numbers wouldn’t magically get better just playing deeper. It’s pretty clear he isn’t the same player stylistically as was with us.

What’s ironic, is that the interceptions and tackles dropping off is the operative point here… they’re the key defensive stats for a CM.

 

[skybluecam]

Seems unlikely that we will get anyone else if our first midfield target fell through. Doesn’t feel like Doug really favours a last minute chase to get someone through the door - assume that’s when you overpay .

Kitching, EMC, Woolfenden

 

[CCFC96]

Seems unlikely that we will get anyone else if our first midfield target fell through. Doesn’t feel like Doug really favours a last minute chase to get someone through the door - assume that’s when you overpay .

We don't set up with one target then pack it in if that doesn't work. The recruitment team will have a huge list I imagine, with it being tiered from most desirable to least.

 

[SBAndy]

Obviously the raw totals are higher… how else do you compare a player who’s played 1,198 minutes versus the same person playing 3,476? That’s without considering that they’re playing in different positions.

You’d hope a player who’s played 2,278 more minutes would have the higher raw totals!

In any case, the original point was that Hamer isn’t going to play CM for us and his numbers wouldn’t magically get better just playing deeper. It’s pretty clear he isn’t the same player stylistically as was with us.

What’s ironic, is that the interceptions and tackles dropping off is the operative point here… they’re the key defensive stats for a CM.

A) it’s ‘per 90’ data.
B) interceptions and tackles are also more common in the middle of the pitch rather than on the left wing.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

A) it’s ‘per 90’ data.
B) interceptions and tackles are also more common in the middle of the pitch rather than on the left wing.

Exactly, and the per 90 shows that Hamer’s numbers are higher. So the data isn’t warped, it’s a matter of fact.

On your second point, Wilder wouldn’t be playing Hamer LW/AM if he was his most trustworthy defensive player. This where posters lime yourself are getting the symptom and the cause the wrong way around. Hamer played CM in the Prem and ever since, has played further forward where the defensive duties, specifically tackles and interceptions are lighter.

 

[shepardo01]

Seems unlikely that we will get anyone else if our first midfield target fell through. Doesn’t feel like Doug really favours a last minute chase to get someone through the door - assume that’s when you overpay .

The only thing you are right about here is that we might not get anybody.
However, we are and will be trying.

It also isn't just a case of, oh well, our top target is staying at his club- never mind. We're done for the window!! There will be contingency targets.

We , as I've said before are now in the same market as some big clubs, many who have more money than us... We'll be trying our best to get too players in.
We may get some, we may not....but we'll be trying!!

 

[Captain Dart]

It has the Wrexham OAP home written all over it

They're doing OK now.

 

[SkyBluePower]

Kitching, EMC, Woolfenden

Keep praying then.

 

[SBAndy]

Exactly, and the per 90 shows that Hamer’s numbers are higher. So the data isn’t warped, it’s a matter of fact.

On your second point, Wilder wouldn’t be playing Hamer LW/AM if he was his most trustworthy defensive player. This where posters lime yourself are getting the symptom and the cause the wrong way around. Hamer played CM in the Prem and ever since, has played further forward where the defensive duties, specifically tackles and interceptions are lighter.

You started this off saying:

Bar tackles and interceptions, his numbers are better this season than at his peak in 22/23 with us!

and yet the data shows that his ‘duels won’ and (most importantly) ‘recoveries’ were significantly higher in his last season with us than this season. I’m setting aside the fact that tackles and interceptions are already quite a big part of being a centre mid.

But your real kicker all along was “well Wilder doesn’t play him centre mid”. Fine, whatever. Why blabber on about his defensive stats then when you know it’s no comparing like with like?

 

[DT-R]

It’s not that they need it, it’s that players like Esse will have multiple suitors and some will be prepared to offer more money.

Not every transaction in football is about money though is it? Especially when it comes to loans. A lot more will go in to loaning a player out than "which club will pay us more"!

What sort of exposure is my player likely to get? Minny for example. Do Spurs want him at Pompey, fighting to stay in the league? Or at Coventry, fighting for promotion? Clearly we offer a spurs player more exposure to the better side of football currently than Pompey do.

How many minutes will he play? Is he likely to be 3rd choice at X club that'll pay me £200k but almost guaranteed 60-65 mins most weeks at another that will only pay his wages?

What team plays football more like our style of football? ie, we're heavily reliant on using our full backs pushing high and helping wingers get balls in to the box, whereas Norwich whenever ive seen them play this season sit deep in a low block. So if ive got an attacking young LB to loan out, do I loan him to the attack minded team that plays a similar style to my own? Or send him to sit in a low block and never get past the halfway line?

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[Saddlebrains]

Seen Minny mentioned a lot above so thought id pass on a nugget

He is a decent player, looks good in training, club happy with him, Lampard just feels he needs to adjust a bit more to our system on the training pitch. Hes gone from a club who are fighting relegation and playing pretty direct stuff to a fast flowing side at the top of the league.

He will get minutes, just needs to bed in a bit

 

[DT-R]

Part of Hull's transfer embargo is, or so it has been reported, is that they cannot pay loan fees for a player. Why would would a practice that doesn't happen be embargoed?

Plus, loan fees are regularly reported on, such as this from Sky Sports transfer page.

But it also means that loans DO happen without fees. So like i said, in reply to somebody saying hes already paid for the ground (which he hasnt) and fees for the Esse loan (where the proof he has?).

I also dont know how reliable Transfermarkt is? But according to that hull signed Amir Hadziahmetovic and under fee it says "Loan Fee: €700k". Next to both Esse and Minny it just says "loan transfer".

So ok, loan fees are a thing id never head of. But either way, it was in response to somebody saying we cant call for doug to splash out as hes already splashed out buying the ground and paying a fee for esse. The first is simply not true and the second has no evidence to back it up. So I stand by the calls for doug to splash the cash and buy us the promotion we're ever so close to achieving.

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[Alkhen]

Seen Minny mentioned a lot above so thought id pass on a nugget

He is a decent player, looks good in training, club happy with him, Lampard just feels he needs to adjust a bit more to our system on the training pitch. Hes gone from a club who are fighting relegation and playing pretty direct stuff to a fast flowing side at the top of the league.

He will get minutes, just needs to bed in a bit

Bit of bedding in is to be expected.

Last 2 weren't the fixtures to drop him into, both were on a knife edge for the entire 90. Its much easier to stick him on if we are winning comfortably or losing and in need to gamble for the last 10.

Liked the look of him at Stoke

 

[Lamps]

Any excuse to back Doug not spending a penny so far, it’s 1 player we need not 10 ffs

We could do with another player or two. But the players we're after are top Championship or average Prem players and they're not as easy to sign as an average squad player.

 

[jordan210]

Bored now can we sign a midfielder

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You started this off saying:


and yet the data shows that his ‘duels won’ and (most importantly) ‘recoveries’ were significantly higher in his last season with us than this season. I’m setting aside the fact that tackles and interceptions are already quite a big part of being a centre mid.

But your real kicker all along was “well Wilder doesn’t play him centre mid”. Fine, whatever. Why blabber on about his defensive stats then when you know it’s no comparing like with like?

If you followed the thread of conversation, I was responding to a post that said Hamer would flourish playing at CM. My basic point was no because on a fundamental level, he’s no longer a CM really.

Why go on the attack and say I was warping the data? We were looking at two different things and you could’ve pointed out duels and recoveries. I missed it because the YoY comparisons didn’t include them.

The irony continues because the data points you’ve just introduced that because if his tackles, interceptions, duels won, recoveries are all down below all of our CMs… what makes you or anyone think he’ll come back and suit playing there for us? That was 3 years ago and it’s apparent that he is a different player now.

 

[CovRes]

But it also means that loans DO happen without fees. So like i said, in reply to somebody saying hes already paid for the ground (which he hasnt) and fees for the Esse loan (where the proof he has?).

I also dont know how reliable Transfermarkt is? But according to that hull signed Amir Hadziahmetovic and under fee it says "Loan Fee: €700k". Next to both Esse and Minny it just says "loan transfer".

So ok, loan fees are a thing id never head of. But either way, it was in response to somebody saying we cant call for doug to splash out as hes already splashed out buying the ground and paying a fee for esse. The first is simply not true and the second has no evidence to back it up. So I stand by the calls for doug to splash the cash and buy us the promotion we're ever so close to achieving.

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I'm not sure that anyone said that loans always come with a loan fee. They are common though, especially if a player is in demand.
Full details of transfers are rarely made public, so I've no idea where Transfermarkt gets its figures from.

There is very little chance that anyone has lent King 100% of the money to buy the stadium. Money will have had to be put up by him. It may be 5%, it may be 50%. We don't know the details. But he's likely to have put money into the purchase. In an interview after the purchase he made a comment about having to move money around (within his investments) to make the deal happen. If it was all borrowed then he wouldn't have needed to do that.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

If we don’t sign a cm then it’s clear Frank hasn’t been backed, it’s a real shame as he was basically begging a few weeks before the window opened. Esse is a good signing but we are still short

 

[MusicDating]

Following our polite enquiry and Wilder's press conference words about not playing Gus, I'm curiously optimistic we're going to sign him

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Following our polite enquiry and Wilder's press conference words about not playing Gus, I'm curiously optimistic we're going to sign him

Very strange comments by Wilder.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Following our polite enquiry and Wilder's press conference words about not playing Gus, I'm curiously optimistic we're going to sign him