fernandopartridge
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The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.
The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.i doubt that’s the case here. When Robins left us the guy hadn’t even scored a goal in sweden yet.
It depends on if it helps the case you're arguing, or not.The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.
The forum also needs to make their mind up over whether Robins wanted / had any say in what Austin offered. Seem to recall the view of some people was that he didn't.
Stoke unfortunately have more money than us. Minted owners.Always thought the likelihood of Stoke and us being in for the same players may be high.
Pretty sure Robins would have been fully aware of Austin's list of potential targets....
I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.It depends on if it helps the case you're arguing, or not.
Still think it's mad that the person who has to pick the team, tactics and coach the players doesn't get the final say on who those players might be. Instead someone detached day to day from that is.I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.
Managers and coaches have major input, but not the absolute final say, as many on here believe.
Now disclosed today, that we were courting Grimes in 2023. Yet some people still maintain buying him was a Lampard masterstroke.
Definitely not trying to devalue what Lampard has brought to the club, just pointing out that this is the way football is organised now.
Almost at the point of not bringing too many in to mess with the squad2-3 in. It's not a desperate situation
1 centre.mid
1(2 if lucky)winger
Good point.Almost at the point of not bringing too many in to mess with the squad
However I real opportunity to bring in 2-3 very very good players
Didn't King at the post sacking forum deny that Robins didn't get the final say? Adding that it would be pointless to sign someone that the manager/coach didn't want.Still think it's mad that the person who has to pick the team, tactics and coach the players doesn't get the final say on who those players might be. Instead someone detached day to day from that is.
Of course a manager can screw up signings. If they screw up too many they should get the sack, and poor signings leading to poor results would probably see to that. But a director of football and scouting team could screw up signings too. And IMO are more likely to compared to a manager and his coaching staff. If a manager is old-fashioned and doesn't want to use the data and analytic tools at the club's disposal, then fire them (or don't hire them in the first place), but if they're getting on board with that and listen to what the scouts/data says, why shouldn't they then get to choose which players out of that the club sign.
DoF can get involved with the business details of transfer and player contracts (pretty much doing what a CEO/COO would do at a smaller club) and can run any specific players requested by the manager through the scouting team and choose whether to pursue it, but a manager should ALWAYS have veto on any signings suggested by the scouting team/DoF.
It was more a comment about how football (especially at the top clubs) is now rather than about us specifically.Didn't King at the post sacking forum deny that Robins didn't get the final say? Adding that it would be pointless to sign someone that the manager/coach didn't want.
Good point.
part of success is the tight squad. So going to be really key who we bring in, what’s their mentality.
as above 2-3 real bits of quality wide and in midfield key
I was one of the people who always maintained that modern clubs do not leave the absolute final decision to managers. Too many screw ups in the past.
Managers and coaches have major input, but not the absolute final say, as many on here believe.
Now disclosed today, that we were courting Grimes in 2023. Yet some people still maintain buying him was a Lampard masterstroke.
Definitely not trying to devalue what Lampard has brought to the club, just pointing out that this is the way football is organised now.
I think this is not quite right.
Yes the power and approach has shifted totally from the days of a manager and a few scouts watching matches in midweek as a way to identify and recruit players. Those days are gone.
But Robins and Lampard did / do have the final say on whether a recommended player joins the club. However given the international nature of the market now all managers are now much more vulnerable to the recommendations of the head of recruitment. Many will be players they had not heard of or watched when the recruitment team first mentioned them at a meeting.
Grimes is not evidence that they don’t have Final say Grimes is evidence that he was a long term target of the recruitment team that both Robins and Lampard wanted. For varying reasons he joined us under Lampard.
I am astounded how radically the business model has changed. Grimes was a major break - 29 and over £3m. We used to suffer vertigo if it went as high as £1m. Since then we have spent more than we spent on Grimes on two players who are essentially back ups - KKH and Woolfie.
We will never know whether that was a condition for Frank accepting the job, or DK had it in his mind already, or a bit of both. But the change in business model and the acquisition of the ground means the numbers are being looked at in an entirely different way. And yet the basic numbers underpinning the club's finances have not changed fundamentally. Bigger gates and better commercial exploitation of those gates, but it's been explained, I think by Grendel, what a relatively small part they play overall. An extra 5k fans does not make that much difference.
Either way we are fishing in a different pond now.,
...but I would like to see another defensive midfielder to compete with Grimes and Torp. Essentially a Sheaf replacement.
Anything else waits until summer
I think we will make very few signings but they will be bloody exciting ones
That's the route I'd go, one or two premier League level signings that we are obligated to buy if we go up.We need Le Fee type signing
Going into Jan, there should only be two types of signing that need to be considered:Again. We started going after grimes in 2023. People need to stop making up narratives.
Completely agree and I expect the club will be of the same view.Going into Jan, there should only be two types of signing that need to be considered:
- loans that help us ‘win now’ e.g. Moore to Ipswich 23/24
- Players who will start for us if we get promoted e.g. Le Fe for Sunderland
Signing ‘cover’ players is simply insufficient for our needs as a club. Come Jan, barring a disastrous run of form, we will be in and around the Top 2 and therefore, we need to be proactive in the Jan transfer market to ensure squad depth doesn’t catch up with us.
If it means in Jan we have to ‘over pay’ on some players, it feels like we will to get the team over the line.
Going into Jan, there should only be two types of signing that need to be considered:
- loans that help us ‘win now’ e.g. Moore to Ipswich 23/24
- Players who will start for us if we get promoted e.g. Le Fe for Sunderland
Signing ‘cover’ players is simply insufficient for our needs as a club. Come Jan, barring a disastrous run of form, we will be in and around the Top 2 and therefore, we need to be proactive in the Jan transfer market to ensure squad depth doesn’t catch up with us.
If it means in Jan we have to ‘over pay’ on some players, it feels like we will to get the team over the line.
That's the Kieffer Moore type that he's referring to.I think there’s value in a loan until the end of the season who is good enough to improve the squad even if they’re not good enough for the PL
Have a real opportunity to do something thoughI think there’s value in a loan until the end of the season who is good enough to improve the squad even if they’re not good enough for the PL
Yep damn straightWe need quality over quantity, I'd suggest 1 winger who can play on either wing.
And possibly a CM who can cover Grimes but also play in front of him when both are fit.
I agree I think it's unrealistic. We'll try our best to hit on it with the cash we have available but a sure thing (or as close as you can get) is £20 million+ these days. Not going to happen.I think we might be lucky to drop on a Premier league ready player or 2 in January, but to me the priority is to get us over the line, and if we are promoted, work on really good signings in the summer.
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