21/22 Summer transfer mega-thread (4 Viewers)

[Ccfcisparks]

It makes sense but you'd think if you offered £1m and 20% sell on Brighton could be tempted.
Do the same for Walton.

You’d offer £1m for Walton?

 

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[lordy_87]

You’d offer £1m for Walton?

I don't know how good but people reckon he's class so if he was our keeper for the next 5 years then it would be good value.

 

[Liquid Gold]

You’d offer £1m for Walton?

Without a second thought.

He's already a quality Championship keeper, he's 25 so could potential have the position sorted for the next 10 years and it is one of the most important positions to get right.

Walton would be an extra 10 points at least over Wilson.

 

[SleepyGinger]

I’d imagine Barry Douglas is available, believe he’s still contracted to Leeds.

Edit- just checked he’s playing in Poland now

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I’d imagine Barry Douglas is available, believe he’s still contracted to Leeds.

Signed for Lech Poznan last week

 

[SBT]

Walton would be an extra 10 points at least over Wilson.

Would be interested to see your working on this. Wilson was awful last year and I still don't think he cost us anywhere near that many points.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Yea for me Barry Douglas or Ian Maatsen either on loan for LWB would be a great shout

 

[Saddlebrains]

Signed for Lech Poznan last week

Ignore my Barry Douglas shout then ha

 

[SleepyGinger]

Conor Ogilvie still hasn’t got a club, could cover left centre back and LWB, think he performs quite well in the data.

 

[Hoofhearted]

Conor Ogilvie still hasn’t got a club, could cover left centre back and LWB, think he performs quite well in the data.

Ogilvie is a decent shout, also Marvin Johnson released by Middlesbrough, originally from Brum I think.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Would be interested to see your working on this. Wilson was awful last year and I still don't think he cost us anywhere near that many points.

City, Coventry (18/19-19/20) 'Improvement in points moving from Lee Burge to Marko Marosi', EFL League 1 & EFL Championship

 

[SBT]

City, Coventry (18/19-19/20) 'Improvement in points moving from Lee Burge to Marko Marosi', EFL League 1 & EFL Championship

Ehhh I don't buy it myself. Many more players who were much more influential that year than Marosi, good as he was.

Don't get me wrong, if we really think there's one player out there who can get us nearly 20% of our total points from last year on his own, we should be spending our entire transfer budget on him, and staying up easily. I just feel like people have a tendency to overstate how much keepers contribute, because their mistakes are so often high-profile.

 

[cc84cov]

I don’t see us paying what’s needed to get osti tbh “budget”

 

[Saddlebrains]

Think were missing a trick tbh

Yes it may be a large outlay now, 1.5 million plus and add ons etc


But i really feel Ostigard is someone we can develop even further and within 2 seasons sell for pushing 10 Mill.


I wish our owners took a gamble every once in a while. I get that were run within our means and thats fine. But times like this i feel that putting in that extra money would come back to them 7 fold

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Think were missing a trick tbh

Yes it may be a large outlay now, 1.5 million plus and add ons etc


But i really feel Ostigard is someone we can develop even further and within 2 seasons sell for pushing 10 Mill.


I wish our owners took a gamble every once in a while. I get that were run within our means and thats fine. But times like this i feel that putting in that extra money would come back to them 7 fold

Have you considered the player may have no interest in joining us?

 

[skybluegod]

Ehhh I don't buy it myself. Many more players who were much more influential that year than Marosi, good as he was.

Don't get me wrong, if we really think there's one player out there who can get us nearly 20% of our total points from last year on his own, we should be spending our entire transfer budget on him, and staying up easily. I just feel like people have a tendency to overstate how much keepers contribute, because their mistakes are so often high-profile.

I agree to be honest.

A really high end, top quality keeper probably does earn you 10 points in a season. Whether that is Walton is another thing.

Statistically on average a keeper will concede over 1 goal per game. I think the cost-benefit analysis doesn't really stack up for us as a club.

Robins has done the right thing in prioritising the sharp end of the pitch. And clearly there are way more gaping holes than keeper.

 

[mr_monkey]

Think were missing a trick tbh

Yes it may be a large outlay now, 1.5 million plus and add ons etc


But i really feel Ostigard is someone we can develop even further and within 2 seasons sell for pushing 10 Mill.


I wish our owners took a gamble every once in a while. I get that were run within our means and thats fine. But times like this i feel that putting in that extra money would come back to them 7 fold

We tried that before and ended up in league 2

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I wish our owners took a gamble every once in a while. I get that were run within our means and thats fine. But times like this i feel that putting in that extra money would come back to them 7 fold

Isn’t that exactly what we did when we signed Hamer last season for £1.3m?

 

[Samo]

I really don't think we are going to be getting another keeper.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Have you considered the player may have no interest in joining us?

And by the way, he’s 21 and hasn’t made his debut for a minor nation yet. Dare I suggest, he’s rated higher by our fans than he is Brighton and Norway management.

 

[skybluereeve]

did Atkinson go to Bristol in the end? From oxford?

 

[Hoofhearted]

did Atkinson go to Bristol in the end? From oxford?

Yes he did unfortunately

 

[CDK]

Keeper wise I hope that Moore gets to a reasonable standard by the start of the season as thought he looked very below standard in Spain.As for another keeper signed don't think it will happen owing to budget ,ostigard think we will be looking elsewhere and left side of the team is as bigger problem as another CB.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Ehhh I don't buy it myself. Many more players who were much more influential that year than Marosi, good as he was.

Don't get me wrong, if we really think there's one player out there who can get us nearly 20% of our total points from last year on his own, we should be spending our entire transfer budget on him, and staying up easily. I just feel like people have a tendency to overstate how much keepers contribute, because their mistakes are so often high-profile.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. We just value keepers differently.

Really when I'm getting at though I guess is that players that are going to be a mainstay of our team for 5+ years or generate a significant resale value are those that we should be targeting. 25 years old and already Championship quality Walton is that player 31 year old questionable Moore isn't. Same with 31 year old Waghorn.

This type of recruitment just gives you more work to do a year or two (or three) down the line without putting you in a better financial position. Last year we did really well by bringing in Sheaf, Hamer and Walker, who all fit that model, then filling the squad with loans in CB, LWB & CM. Gyokeres and maybe Bright could be examples of us doing it right this year.

I think the philosophy at this level should be 2/3 top quality players each year in the younger age bracket so they give you that longevity/profit even if it means Shipley or Allen or whoever plays more than you'd like them to. With the loans you keep your head above water and then in 3/4 years you have a squad that can challenge at the right end of the division.

It just feels like we're bringing in players who will keep us lower mid-table Championship, which is obviously better than we've had for many years, but nothing to say that we might eventually turn ourselves into contenders.

 

[SleepyGinger]

Izzy brown who was mentioned in here a few times has ruptured his Achilles, weeks after signing for Preston.

 

[covcity4life]

But where do you play him? Ahead of Sheaf?

He put dm as least priority. If get 1 fine if don't it's no biggie

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Izzy brown who was mentioned in here a few times has ruptured his Achilles, weeks after signing for Preston.

Not for the first time unfortunately

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Brown will be out for six months plus with that.

 

[Frostie]

Think were missing a trick tbh

Yes it may be a large outlay now, 1.5 million plus and add ons etc


But i really feel Ostigard is someone we can develop even further and within 2 seasons sell for pushing 10 Mill.


I wish our owners took a gamble every once in a while. I get that were run within our means and thats fine. But times like this i feel that putting in that extra money would come back to them 7 fold

We've paid fees for 2 new players already this season. Not many Championship teams can say the same.

 

[skybluereeve]

Yes he did unfortunately

Thanks missed that. Saw they rejected a bid must have missed the follow up.

 

[Hoofhearted]

Thanks missed that. Saw they rejected a bid must have missed the follow up.

Good signing for them, think we were interested in him before he signed for Oxford from Eastleigh

 

[NorthernWisdom]

This type of recruitment just gives you more work to do a year or two (or three) down the line without putting you in a better financial position.

Not always. If Moore can hold the place for a couple of seasons, let Bilson and Tyler(?) mature to a level where they can be first team, he's done his job. Every side needs *some* experience, too. If Waghorn can help Walker along to improve further, we gain a 15 goal a season striker.

Now, I'm not even saying these players are the right ones (Moore seems an unusual signing to say the least, but you never know!) but that's the principle. Can't have a totally young, naive team.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not always. If Moore can hold the place for a couple of seasons, let Bilson and Tyler(?) mature to a level where they can be first team, he's done his job. Every side needs *some* experience, too. If Waghorn can help Walker along to improve further, we gain a 15 goal a season striker.

Now, I'm not even saying these players are the right ones (Moore seems an unusual signing to say the least, but you never know!) but that's the principle. Can't have a totally young, naive team.

I'm not against the experience at all. I'd just like to be properly excited by one of our signings this season.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I'm not against the experience at all. I'd just like to be properly excited by one of our signings this season.

tbh, I wasn't expecting to be, given where we are. It's always going to be young potential, or journeyman - even allowing for level, McNulty and Kelly weren't overly exciting (McNulty mixed, Kelly at the wrong team), and I wasn't exactly moved by Vincenti. O'Hare's been the exception all through recent years in a way, as I really didn't expect us to get him.

 

[long way home]

2 loans , 1 perm is what is being touted and if that's the case some will be left surplus and should be moved on. We already know Hillsner, Mason and Jobello are 3 that already fall in that category. But decision on Pask, Drysdale, Allen and Shipley who could be looked at as fringe players will have to be made. If they are not contributing then constant improvement has to happen and sentiment is out the window. If these step up great, but In my opinion I can't see all 4 making a big enough impact to help us progress then moving them on like the other 3 is just a matter of time.

I don't think MR is happy with a relegation fight in championship and I would hedge a bet he has made that known to owners. He has got us this far and wants to go big, I don't think he will stand for it or be happy to stand still as he knows that's a backward step in the progression we have made under him.