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16 year old murdered in Wood End (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter clint van damme
  • Start date Nov 25, 2018
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #246
Pisses me off the mall and sun lead with facts that he was shot in the back. Great stuff. Bloody idiots

Sure we’ll have marches etc etc
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #247
Sky Blue Pete said:
Pisses me off the mall and sun lead with facts that he was shot in the back. Great stuff. Bloody idiots

Sure we’ll have marches etc etc
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Yeah they just go on what people in the street tell them.
 
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AJB1983

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #248
IOPC have come out already and said contrary to reports on their evidence he was NOT shot in the back.

Also worth remembering that for armed police discharging a weapon (which would potentially result in a fatality) is the absolute last resort when looking to neutralise the threat....
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #249
AJB1983 said:
IOPC have come out already and said contrary to reports on their evidence he was NOT shot in the back.

Also worth remembering that for armed police discharging a weapon (which would potentially result in a fatality) is the absolute last resort when looking to neutralise the threat....
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Only if you don’t believe everyone who you know even if you know they are complete arseholes
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #250
AJB1983 said:
IOPC have come out already and said contrary to reports on their evidence he was NOT shot in the back.

Also worth remembering that for armed police discharging a weapon (which would potentially result in a fatality) is the absolute last resort when looking to neutralise the threat....
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That's the thing, last resort to kill somebody raiding for weed? Do they even usually take guns?
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #251
I suspect that if he was a drug dealer, he was known to the police who also knew him to carry guns to protect his money and plants from rival underworld types. Therefore when they did the bust, they went in armed. When they went in, he went for this gun, thinking he was under attack from a rival or something, and so they shot him. Reading between the lines, that seems the most plausible explanation / sequence of events.
 

stupot07

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  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #252
oucho said:
I suspect that if he was a drug dealer, he was known to the police who also knew him to carry guns to protect his money and plants from rival underworld types. Therefore when they did the bust, they went in armed. When they went in, he went for this gun, thinking he was under attack from a rival or something, and so they shot him. Reading between the lines, that seems the most plausible explanation / sequence of events.
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IMO, If they had been armed, and he had reached for a gun that information would have already been released as part of the Police statement
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #253
stupot07 said:
IMO, If they had been armed, and he had reached for a gun that information would have already been released as part of the Police statement
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Do they usually announce that straight away? Would think it needs to be reviewed by the relevent people and look at footage and have an inquest etc.
 
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stupot07

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  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #254
Nick said:
Do they usually announce that straight away? Would think it needs to be reviewed by the relevent people and look at footage and have an inquest etc.
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From what I remember from other similar events, they usually strongly hint "a man believed to have been armed" or "in possession of a fire arm".

I've got horrible feeling this incident it going to end up coming out as a massive cock up. They are in the minority but you do get them that end up as being unlawfuy killed.

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Nick

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  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #255
stupot07 said:
From what I remember from other similar events, they usually strongly hint "a man believed to have been armed" or "in possession of a fire arm".

I've got horrible feeling this incident it going to end up coming out as a massive cock up. They are in the minority but you do get them that end up as being unlawfuy killed.

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At least if they all had body cameras there's more chance of it coming out than years ago when it could be covered up.

They will know exactly what happened so guess it's just the process of what they do now
 
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King of the Lesbians

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  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #256
covcity4life said:
Didn't people say they heard lots of gun shots?
Were police being that shit They kept missing?
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A statement from firearms officer Rick Grimes will be out shortly...
 
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LastGarrison

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #257
Maybe him being in the forces up until last year had the Police a little itchy on the trigger knowing he is trained to kill?

Still, at the moment, the whole story really doesn’t add up......
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2019
  • #258
LastGarrison said:
Maybe him being in the forces up until last year had the Police a little itchy on the trigger knowing he is trained to kill?

Still, at the moment, the whole story really doesn’t add up......
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The thing with that is that I don't think it was his house so how would they know he was there etc.
 
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The Lurker

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #259
Nick said:
The thing with that is that I don't think it was his house so how would they know he was there etc.
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the police would have been watching the house. if he was known which I would say he was then that would have been why armed police turned up. the police no matter what twats lon here say, have messed up. massively you don’t go shooting unarmed people in houses. you have terrorists ffs with knives in towns and cities not getting shot who are more of a threat?
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #260
Already starting to drop of the news radar. Where are the riots, protests, celebrity interventions and social media melt downs?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #261
The Lurker said:
the police would have been watching the house. if he was known which I would say he was then that would have been why armed police turned up. the police no matter what twats lon here say, have messed up. massively you don’t go shooting unarmed people in houses. you have terrorists ffs with knives in towns and cities not getting shot who are more of a threat?
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Has it been confirmed he was unarmed now?
 
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The Lurker

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #262
Nick said:
Has it been confirmed he was unarmed now?
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no which means he was unarmed. if he was armed it would have been confirmed by now.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #263
stupot07 said:
From what I remember from other similar events, they usually strongly hint "a man believed to have been armed" or "in possession of a fire arm".

I've got horrible feeling this incident it going to end up coming out as a massive cock up. They are in the minority but you do get them that end up as being unlawfuy killed.

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Well he was in possession of an arm, so they got it half right.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #264
The Lurker said:
no which means he was unarmed. if he was armed it would have been confirmed by now.
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Something doesnt add up as to why so many with guns were there. I guess more will come out sooner or later.

Also, why so many shots fired? If multiple police then did they all think he was a threat to life. If just one then why fire so many times?
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #265
Accidental discharge of firearm causing panic? Tell you what though the silence suggests a fuck up
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #266
Macca said:
Accidental discharge of firearm causing panic? Tell you what though the silence suggests a fuck up
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You would have thought there would be riots
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #267
I for one am not going to jump to any conclusions and await more info.

Everyone on here is just guessing and the police might well have been told this bloke was armed, be it guns or Samurai swords. We simply don't know and do not know whether there has been a police cock-up, or not, or whether the shooting was justified or not.
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #268
Otis said:
I for one am not going to jump to any conclusions and await more info.

Everyone on here is just guessing and the police might well have been told this bloke was armed, be it guns or Samurai swords. We simply don't know and do not know whether there has been a police cock-up, or not, or whether the shooting was justified or not.
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Oh it's pure speculation but that's what the internet is for
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #269
Nick said:
You would have thought there would be riots
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White ex squaddie is not a cause celebre rightly or wrongly
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #270
Otis said:
I for one am not going to jump to any conclusions and await more info.

Everyone on here is just guessing and the police might well have been told this bloke was armed, be it guns or Samurai swords. We simply don't know and do not know whether there has been a police cock-up, or not, or whether the shooting was justified or not.
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You're right Otis, but I do find it strange, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to the victim, how much coverage the Surrey train stabbing is getting in comparison to this.
It's an horrendous crime so not complaining that it's getting extensive coverage but this seems to have pretty much dropped off the radar nationally in comparison.
 

CovInEssex

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #271
Knew him distantly, nice lad, hard c**t mind.

I believe one of his friends or a family member (who wasn't even there) started the "running away/in the back" rumour.

The police need to release the footage. Just saying abc happened won't be enough and just fuels a cover up.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #272
They won't release the footage to the public. It will go to all the investigating bodies won't it?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #273

They haven't said anything about him being armed.

Guess the information about it will come out slowly.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #274
Nick said:

They haven't said anything about him being armed.
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No, they haven't, but what if there were weapons in the house and it appeared to the police he was reaching for a weapon? We simply don't know yet.

Obviously don't want to see anyone dead, but it surely helps if you are not committing the crime in the first place.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #275
clint van damme said:
You're right Otis, but I do find it strange, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to the victim, how much coverage the Surrey train stabbing is getting in comparison to this.
It's an horrendous crime so not complaining that it's getting extensive coverage but this seems to have pretty much dropped off the radar nationally in comparison.
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Two totally different things.

First was an innocent man with his son stabbed to death in broad day light on a train full of passengers.

Second was a bloke who was in a house where drugs were being farmed that was shot by police during a raid.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #276
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Two totally different things.

First was an innocent man with his son stabbed to death in broad day light on a train full of passengers.

Second was a bloke who was in a house where drugs were being farmed that was shot by police during a raid.
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Still a police shooting though whatever the circumstances.
Normally when people die at the hands of the police there's much more coverage.
And, yes, apparently drugs were present but it hasn't been established that arms were.
And it was a cannabis grow which the police aren't normally over fussed about unless it's on huge scale which I doubt it was in a terraced house in Burnaby Rd
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #277
clint van damme said:
Still a police shooting though whatever the circumstances.
Normally when people die at the hands of the police there's much more coverage.
And, yes, apparently drugs were present but it hasn't been established that arms were.
And it was a cannabis grow which the police aren't normally over fussed about unless it's on huge scale which I doubt it was in a terraced house in Burnaby Rd
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I'm sure there's more to it.

Too early to make a full conclusion too. When the police have released the full details I'm sure it'll blow up if indeed he was unlawfully killed.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #278
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm sure there's more to it.

Too early to make a full conclusion too. When the police have released the full details I'm sure it'll blow up if indeed he was unlawfully killed.
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I think you're right there's more to it just really surprised by the lack of media coverage.
 

Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #279
Midlands Today reporting the 2 arrested have been released without charge. This gets more confusing.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2019
  • #280
Either they were growing weed or weren't. Unless there's not enough evidence to blame them. On bail I think but if they can't get charges of growing weed to stick it is even stranger.
 
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