Match Thread ⚽️ Sheffield United vs Coventry City Match Thread - Monday 26th Dec (12 Viewers)

larry_david · Dec 27, 2022

Guys, Tavares signed a new deal in the summer til 2025 so whether you like it or not, MR has seen something in him.

And to my untrained eye yesterday he at least made runs off the ball, created space with his movement and demanded the ball. He was also the only player to actually run at them other that Gyokeres.

fernandopartridge · Dec 27, 2022

pusbccfc said:
If you had to get rid of one, surely it would be Walker. Tav will be on peanuts.

Jesus wept. I would not get rid of Tyler Walker who has proven he can score goals in this league and league football generally for the chance that Tavares might come good.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 27, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
Jesus wept. I would not get rid of Tyler Walker who has proven he can score goals in this league and league football generally for the chance that Tavares might come good.

Unless you can get someone in who is better

Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

larry_david said:
Guys, Tavares signed a new deal in the summer til 2025 so whether you like it or not, MR has seen something in him.

And to my untrained eye yesterday he at least made runs off the ball, created space with his movement and demanded the ball. He was also the only player to actually run at them other that Gyokeres.

he also gave Kelly an extra two years

SBT · Dec 27, 2022

Can’t wait to still be here in spring 2045, when we’re losing 3-0 to Robot FC in the International Championship Super League, reading post after post saying that we need to bring on Tav to make runs at those tired legs and we’ll never know if he’s good enough until Robins gives him a chance.

stupot07 · Dec 27, 2022

To be fair to Allen he covered a lot of ground to get back.

I can't believe how slow Doyle is to get back he's still well inside Sheffield's half. Rose and Panzo have busted a gut to at least try to get back.

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shmmeee · Dec 27, 2022

stupot07 said:
To be fair to Allen he covered a lot of ground to get back.

I can't believe how slow Doyle is to get back he's still well inside Sheffield's half. Rose and Panzo have busted a gut to at least try to get back.

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Not to beat a dead horse, but the problem with Allen isn’t the amount of running he does, it’s what he does when he stops running and comes near a football.

Agree that Doyle could have done better.

stupot07 · Dec 27, 2022

shmmeee said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but the problem with Allen isn’t the amount of running he does, it’s what he does when he stops running and comes near a football.

Agree that Doyle could have done better.

I think you're a bit harsh on Allen in general, he does the job Robins asks of him which is why he starts so many games. But I agree he was absolute dogshit yesterday.

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Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

stupot07 said:
I think you're a bit harsh on Allen in general, he does the job Robins asks of him which is why he starts so many games. But I agree he was absolute dogshit yesterday.

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yes and now o hare is out we’ve only really got hamer who can cover ground

palmer was I assume signed to play the o hare role but he’s going to struggle as the fixture list builds

robbiethemole · Dec 27, 2022

Looks like the only good thing from yesterday is, if O’Hare is out for sometime, at least he’ll still be here after January

Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

robbiethemole said:
Looks like the only good thing from yesterday is, if O’Hare is out for sometime, at least he’ll still be here after January

I hope that’s a joke

pusbccfc · Dec 27, 2022

robbiethemole said:
Looks like the only good thing from yesterday is, if O’Hare is out for sometime, at least he’ll still be here after January

People said that when Jodi Jones did his ACL

shmmeee · Dec 27, 2022

We have been due our yearly ACL TBF.

fatso · Dec 27, 2022

stupot07 said:
To be fair to Allen he covered a lot of ground to get back.

I can't believe how slow Doyle is to get back he's still well inside Sheffield's half. Rose and Panzo have busted a gut to at least try to get back.

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Busting a gut to get into a position to do fuck all! That's the whole problem.
He's always busy contributing nothing.

shmmeee · Dec 27, 2022

stupot07 said:
I think you're a bit harsh on Allen in general, he does the job Robins asks of him which is why he starts so many games. But I agree he was absolute dogshit yesterday.

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Ive hit the same point with Allen as I have with Kelly and did with Shipley. At some point the lack of quality is glaring and you get sick of watching them have zero impact on the game. I’d much rather see Waghorn up with Vik and Palmer in behind at this point.

My big issue with Robins, as much as I love him, is he’s so cautious. We end up playing 5311 with Allen on the pitch. And if we’re doing that I’d rather see the likes of Eccles or Burroughs in CM. I don’t think withdrawing everyone to the 18 yard line and leaving Vik alone up front actually makes us more solid.

PVA · Dec 27, 2022

shmmeee said:
Ive hit the same point with Allen as I have with Kelly and did with Shipley. At some point the lack of quality is glaring and you get sick of watching them have zero impact on the game. I’d much rather see Waghorn up with Vik and Palmer in behind at this point.

Yeah the problem with Allen is that the likes of Hamer, Sheaf, O'Hare and Palmer are just a level above him in terms of technique and footballing brain/speed of thought.

They're all just one step ahead of him and he doesn't read what they're going to when giving or receiving the ball.

He does some good things but ultimately he's just not at the same level as those players.

Deleted member 9744 · Dec 27, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
Jesus wept. I would not get rid of Tyler Walker who has proven he can score goals in this league and league football generally for the chance that Tavares might come good.

I like Walker but his scoring record at this level isn't good. He has not proved himself in the Championship yet.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 27, 2022

Grendel said:
yes and now o hare is out we’ve only really got hamer who can cover ground

palmer was I assume signed to play the o hare role but he’s going to struggle as the fixture list builds

The worrying thing with Palmer is he's been here half a season now, and still doesn't look able to play consecutive games.

shmmeee · Dec 27, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
The worrying thing with Palmer is he's been here half a season now, and still doesn't look able to play consecutive games.

He’s been carrying a knee injury he’s only just got over.

PVA · Dec 27, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
The worrying thing with Palmer is he's been here half a season now, and still doesn't look able to play consecutive games.

To be fair to him during our good run he started 7 of 11 games (and came on after 5 minutes in another) so I think he is capable of it, though this busy Christmas period might be pushing it!

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 27, 2022

shmmeee said:
He’s been carrying a knee injury he’s only just got over.

He always seems to have something to stop him being fully fit. The dog'll be eating his testicles next.

shmmeee · Dec 27, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
He always seems to have something to stop him being fully fit. The dog'll be eating his testicles next.

It’s just been that and the fact he hadn’t played for ages hasn’t it?

I mean that’s the pool of players we fish in. Unproven, or injured, or had a falling out.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 27, 2022

PVA said:
To be fair to him during our good run he started 7 of 11 games (and came on after 5 minutes in another) so I think he is capable of it, though this busy Christmas period might be pushing it!

Tended to get taken off 60-70 minutes, so not really capable of a full run of games.

Now arguably, that's because we expect him to do the running of O'Hare and he can't, no shame in that. That would open up questions as to why we'd sign a creative player and ask him to do a different job to the one he's capable of, however.

PVA · Dec 27, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Tended to get taken off 60-70 minutes, so not really capable of a full run of games.

Now arguably, that's because we expect him to do the running of O'Hare and he can't, no shame in that. That would open up questions as to why we'd sign a creative player and ask him to do a different job to the one he's capable of, however.

I think he was signed to play alongside O'Hare, and we've seen how effective they can be together. But a combination of O'Hare's injury, Palmer's niggles and Allen's good form has affected that first choice pairing.

Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

PVA said:
Yeah the problem with Allen is that the likes of Hamer, Sheaf, O'Hare and Palmer are just a level above him in terms of technique and footballing brain/speed of thought.

They're all just one step ahead of him and he doesn't read what they're going to when giving or receiving the ball.

He does some good things but ultimately he's just not at the same level as those players.

Why is Allen always the preferred choice then ahead of palmer?

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 27, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Tended to get taken off 60-70 minutes, so not really capable of a full run of games.

Now arguably, that's because we expect him to do the running of O'Hare and he can't, no shame in that. That would open up questions as to why we'd sign a creative player and ask him to do a different job to the one he's capable of, however.

The plan was to play him with O’Hare and have one complement the other with Hamer being used as the financial makeweight. Nobody bit on Hamer, O’Hare has now turned into paper and we’re going into January skint with the league top scorer on the books.

Bodes well

Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

PVA said:
I think he was signed to play alongside O'Hare, and we've seen how effective they can be together. But a combination of O'Hare's injury, Palmer's niggles and Allen's good form has affected that first choice pairing.

how many games have o hare and palmer actually started together

Deleted member 9744 · Dec 27, 2022

Grendel said:
Why is Allen always the preferred choice then ahead of palmer?

It has to be because of fitness issues. Palmer is one if our most talented players. Allen is considerably below the quality of most of our other first team players in terms of quality.

shmmeee · Dec 27, 2022

Grendel said:
how many games have o hare and palmer actually started together

How many games have both been fully fit?

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 27, 2022

Grendel said:
Why is Allen always the preferred choice then ahead of palmer?

I'd also point out that Allen makes excellent runs that half the time are ignored by others. There's a load of bullshit said about the bloke, and he seems (for reasons I really don't understand when he's actually improving year on year!) to have become the new Sheaf in the eyes of some, where anything he does must be run down.

Nobody's denying he was shit yesterday, and it's a shame when he plays well that can't be acknowledged in return.

Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

shmmeee said:
How many games have both been fully fit?

palmer has started 70 league games in his career - Allen 253 - they are a similar age. Why?

Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

Deleted member 9744 said:
It has to be because of fitness issues. Palmer is one if our most talented players. Allen is considerably below the quality of most of our other first team players in terms of quality.

No manager has ever chosen palmer regularly to start at any club he’s been at have they?

PVA · Dec 27, 2022

Grendel said:
palmer has started 70 league games in his career - Allen 253 - they are a similar age. Why?

Yes it's a real mystery how it's easier to get in the Rochdale side than the Chelsea team

Grendel · Dec 27, 2022

PVA said:
Yes it's a real mystery how it's easier to get in the Rochdale side than the Chelsea team

He’s played for 6 clubs other than Chelsea? Allen left Rochdale 6 years ago?

PVA · Dec 27, 2022

Grendel said:
He’s played for 6 clubs other than Chelsea? Allen left Rochdale 6 years ago?

While Allen was racking up the appearances for Rochdale in League Two, Palmer was winning the Youth Champions League alongside Mount, Abraham and Tomori.

Comparing their number of career appearances is such a stupid way of trying to prove Allen is better than Palmer.

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