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Immigrants especially from the EU are coming here to work, the reason they're doing that is because jobs in both skilled and "unskilled" sectors are available, immigrants especially those from the EU are net contributors to the UK economy. Which means it works. You've been tricked into thinking...

Immigration into this country is like water, it naturally fills the empty vessel of available jobs and takes on whatever shape that happens to be. Very little to nothing will change once we leave the EU with regards to the skills we allow in. The skills line is a meaningless tag marketing line...

It's a pretty irrelevant question regardless of what the answer is as frontline NHS is severely underfunded and understaffed. The NHS needs a large number of immigrants to survive wether they be from the EU or elsewhere. Either that or we start doing some very real investment at cost to the...

And likewise for the leave campaign. I think I made the point very early in this thread that if you took both campaigns on face value you wouldn't vote either in or out as both campaigns were spurious and based on fear telling you why you shouldn't vote for the other argument rather than why you...

You said that the "EU couldn't afford for Turkey to join the EU and the EU were shitting themselves at the prospect" as part of a leave argument. When nothing could be further from the truth. Turkey aren't interested in joining the EU, more now than ever. At best it was political gain in Turkey...

No. I'm saying the opposite. Some would have you believe that we joined the common market and common market alone, we didn't, we joined the European communities which gave us access to the common market. It's the European communities that became the EU. That's the distinction I'm making.

Turkey has no appetite to join the EU. Which is what I've been trying to point out to you from the start.

Just correcting the assumption that we were only in the common market in 76, we weren't. That's nothing to do with taking sides that's stating a fact. We were essentially in the EU albeit not in name and with the same powers pre Maastricht. The common market did not evolve into the EU. If you...

President Erdogan tells BBC: EU wastes Turkey's time - BBC News Just saying.

Didn't realise that we had loads of spare cash. That must be why our debt is shrinking. It is shrinking isn't it? And you're still missing the point that it's a complete non argument as Turkey, despite BoJos scaremongering during the leave campaign, aren't joining the EU. I'd even go as far as...

Actually we were in the European Community in 1976, being in the common market was part of that but we weren't in the common market and the common market alone. The European community became the EU in 1993 with the signing of the Maastricht treaty. Which we signed.

I never said that they were doing better than us. I was just pointing out that when you take crucial yard sticks of the measure of any economy if they're a basket case what are we. You certainly jumped on the Turkey band wagon and like I said, it's a red herring. I made that clear in my first...

I haven't twisted anything, I've highlighted two crucial elements to the survival of any economy. You've said Turkey is a basket case that would be a burden on us if they joined the EU while we're still in it but the truth is when you're using two of the major yardsticks they're doing better...

I think the word is largest, not necessarily the same thing as strongest.

Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?

Turkey has been "joining" the EU for 30 years, they have to agree some 20 odd conditions before they can join, they've only started discussions on a dozen of those and come to an agreement in that time on zero, they won't recognise Cyprus which is a massive hurdle they'll have to get over if...

Did anyone catch panorama last night? Very interesting view on what brexit could and couldn't mean for British farmers and the food industry as a whole. I was also reading about waste water being used in developing countries for farming irrigation in developing countries the other day with the...

Was this the poster launch where he claimed X amount of Romanians were planning on coming to the UK and his figure turned out to be a higher number than the entire population of Romania?

We have to agree policy with a bunch of climate change denying, anti women's rights nutcases with terrorism connections in this country so it can't be any worse.

In the real world they may not have a choice if they want to protect their market share in the UK.