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Oh for fucks sake get on with it.

Sad news. RIP. Condolences to his family and friends.

Something big? Bigi must be resigning then.

Amen to that.

Fucking hell. Could this phase really go on until October 2018? I was looking forward to knowing one way or the other by the end of the month what was going to happen. At least that way we’d know what we were dealing with instead of being in limbo.

Could be a tough game this. If they score first we’ll lose. If we score first I’m still going for the draw.

Been to the Art gallery and motor museum numerous times over the last few years

I have never said that the EU is innocent of all charges or anything remotely like that. My stance is and always has been that the EU needs reform. I don’t think that the EU set minimum VAT levels until the EU VAT directive of 2006 although I’m happy to be corrected on that if that isn’t the...

Just been googling and the only party I can see ever committing to abolishing 5% VAT on energy when we’ve left the EU was UKIP when under the leadership of Paul Nuttall, can’t even find a Ferage quote promising it. Can’t see a whisper of it from anyone else other than Gove in the referendum...

That’s not even a good analogy. When you’re paying VAT whether that be at 5% on heating or 20% on other things it’s all coming out of one pot ie your my earnings and going to one pot ie the governments coffers. If they reduce the 20% rate to as you suggest 19% by your own calculations I’m in...

Of course it would. Unless you’re suggesting that the only thing pensioners pay VAT on is heating and everything else is VAT exempt to pensioners why wouldn’t it?

Because the government could choose to offset the VAT they collect on goods and services against the VAT they collect on fuel. They choose not to. They could drop VAT on goods and services to 15% tomorrow should they choose without falling foul of EU regulations to offset the 5% on fuel...

We could also choose to offset the VAT we can choose against the VAT we can’t choose. We (the government) choose not to. That’s down to the government.

That’s exactly what I said.

Got my figures slightly wrong in a later post but VAT originally originally changed from 15% to 17.5% in 1991. It went down for a year to 15% before being put up again to 17.5% in December 2009. As you say it then went up again to 20% a short while later where it’s been ever since.

Because Gove insists that the only reason we pay so much VAT is the EU’s fault as they insist that we pay 5% on energy while ignoring that we pay 5% more on goods and services than the minimum we’re allowed to charge under EU rules.

Just been looking and can’t find any definitive figures but by going on various articles online from various news outlets VAT on energy equates to about 5% of all VAT collected. So the government has plenty of scope to reduce the standard VAT rate to offset the 5% on energy. Again should they...

Sorry. I was just trying to give all sides of the story. The U.K. government doesn’t have to charge us VAT on goods and services at 20% and can balance our VAT payments across a range of goods if they want. Would they even have to reduce it to 15% to offset the 5% they currently receive on...

Energy is on a VAT rate of 5% which as you say is set by the EU. This is the minimum that you are allowed to charge on this and successive governments have set it at the minimum so fair play to them. What’s EU rules on VAT on goods and services? I’ll help you out, it’s 15%. So as you’re the one...

Can’t say I’m aware of Junkers bowel movements so I’ll take your word for it.