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  1. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    Who then? Are you counting overseas territories? I bet you are.
  2. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    No I didn’t. I said that in reply to you saying that the trains we’re nationalised pre labour. As far as I know that only other times railways have been brought under government control was during war time. After the wars they returned to private hands and were eventually nationalised in the...
  3. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    Brexit hasn’t happened before but people trading with the EU on WTO terms has and still does. You don’t think people have looked at that, compared it to free trade as an EU member and drawn a conclusion based on actual events? You seem to think that they’ve stuck a finger up in the air based on...
  4. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    When was the railways nationalised well past WW1? WW2?
  5. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There are 60 members of the ERG who all oppose the chequers plan and then 10 DUP MP’s. It’s not unreasonable to think that there is more than a distinct possibility that 70 MP’s from the “home” team are going to reject the governments final brexit deal when it goes before Parliament. That’s...
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    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    During world wars as a matter of national security. I don’t think that counts. As far as I know it’s only happened during Tory rule as a bail out and then only individual companies not the entire rail network. Labour did it through political ideology, an ideology abandoned by centralist New...
  7. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’ve replied to me twice now while ignoring Mart. Looks like a distraction to me.
  8. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Why are you replying to me? Mart asked you the question not me. Are you looking for a distraction?
  9. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    A no deal will suit the DUP. They want a closed border with Ireland because it reaffirms Northern Ireland as part of the U.K. Personally I think it will backfire on them. There’s a whole generation of peace children of working and voting age, many of whom are campaigning for things like LGBT...
  10. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s why he doesn’t want it.
  11. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Seems to me that the people who are doing their best to derail Brexit negotiations are the so called European Research Group and the DUP. Remainers are being made the scapegoats though. Apparently some how our negative thoughts and concerns are having some sort of magical ESP effect on brexit...
  12. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So we’re back to the pre chequers solution. The one that the DUP rejected wholesale as Northern Ireland must be on an equal footing with the rest of the U.K... ... unless that means pro choice for women... ... or equal rights for the LGBT community. It’s going to be interesting to see how...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There was a bit on the news about it last night. 7% of all trade from within the EU was the conclusion IIRC. The EU trades more with individual countries outside the EU who there isn’t a free trade agreement with. Which begs the question has the importance of leaving the EU to have free trade...
  14. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It clearly wasn’t positive to the DUP or May. That being the case it wasn’t positive at all. I would seriously consider Barniers proposal as I can see it would benefit my family. The government and the the crutch that props it won’t though. Clint keeps ask you to provide positives on the other...
  15. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    Oh Grendull. Will you ever give a straight answer. Here’s a simple one for you. A straight yes or no. Is renationalisation of the railways a centralist policy?
  16. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    Is centre ground traditional labour politics? Supposed to be the left aren’t they? Sounds like you’re confusing them with the Lib Dem’s. Even Maggie said her greatest success was New Labour. Who was it again who coined the phrase new labour? Blair wasn’t it? Even he admitted that he didn’t have...
  17. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    Really? You could argue that Blair, Brown and Co also had no affinity to the Labour Party given that they changed it into Tory Light. I’d say Corbyn is truer to the original idealism’s of the Labour Party than Blair and Brown ever were. I think you mean he he had no affinity to those running the...
  18. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Of course there will and that’s the problem facing many car manufacturers and other manufacturing industries too. They have components coming in to the U.K. from all over the EU and put them on cars on the production line and then have the same issues send built cars into the EU. That’s invoices...
  19. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Have you ever had to process documents for clearing imports and arrange exports? Everything is paper based. Just so you know I do process shipping documents at work both import and export on a regular basis.
  20. skybluetony176

    Second referendum : am I missing something ?

    Hating your job is normal. Hardly a relevant comparison.
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