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Chelsea, Man C all lost to lower opposition in pre-season, less than Wrexham + Nuneaton and they weren't calling for Mancini or RDM, why? because P-s is about fitness. Also, Nuneaton we played one 1st teamer, Deegan, and he's at Hibs...

Or not, because McSheffrey is poor, in fairness does have few good moments and Baker, I'd try him 'in the hole', in the absence of Fleck. The system is not broke, why fix it?

3, but 2 in open play meaning he's our top goalscorer in open play still. :whistle: Besides, a goal is a goal, he still had to send it home.

If that is the case, I do apologise. :)

Face it, we've been on the decline since we got relegated! All of our managers have had appaling records. Coleman, if you dig a little deeper, underachieved massively whereas Thorn, well, no one was surprised when the inevitable happend or are you incredibly short-sighted and naive? Calling me...

On what evidence? Oh when he played on the left for Rangers and Blackpool? He's scored 5 in pre season for US playing AMC. Fleck is not a LM, why play him there? Oh, I forgot, when playing AMC, you need to chip in defensively, yes, but not as much as LCM, especially with no wingers and...

But when they've played on the wings, they've been ineffective.:) Actually, Baker was at his best 'in the hole' for Stockport and inconsistent on the wing for us. :whistle:

And Santos use it now... Norwich, 2 promotions in a row, Swindon, one of the favourites this year. Who says we need to play formations that only English teams use, AT can use formations used abroad. If you think we should play 4-4-2 because it was a popular formation, it shows the...

I remember seeing it in an old programme my mate had where it showed the team with the formation, we used in at least 2 games. B.Gudjonsson, Delameaux, suffo, Macca, Joachim all played. Even though AC Milan play it now :whistle: Italy play 4-1-3-2 but Monty pushes forward making it a diamond...

Whilst not answering your question entirely, AC Milan use it, Italy also, with Monty pushing forward to form a diamond. Covered that one for me while posting on another thread - thanks!

Of course I do, but Fleck, clearly being a AMC should nothave to worry about defensive duties and get on with playing a 'killer' ball or a 'magical' dribble etc. which at LCM, needs a fair amount of defensive attention, especially with Hussey at LB, as he likes to get forward and isn't amazing...

Tbh, I did watch a few games under Black (note: I was 9 when he was manager and didn't get up that often because no one could take me, bar football manager or football team) and after looking back at programmes when he managed he played a lot of formations, 4-3-3, 4-2-4, diamond 4-4-2. The point...

Like the posters on here getting all upset with a draw AWAY? :confused: 3-5-2 might work well against 4-4-2 (other formations with 2 strikers) playing teams but I thinl we should stick with 4 at the back.

So basically the diamond. We're not, because when we have it we do worse, refer to: Ross County, ICT, Nuneaton and Wrexham for whrn we played with wingers... :facepalm: :whistle:

What about in his caretaker role (when he arguably kept us up) when he had; Westwood, Turner, Gunna, King, Juke (as well as Keogh, of course) at his disposal, losing them condemed us to a relegation, especially when was replaced with 2 goalies and a striker! :facepalm: We all know AT had his...

We haven't lost with it in pre-season nor in the season, why 'fix' something when it clearly is not broken... He tried 4-4-2 when the PLAYERS wanted it and I can't recall getting a result with it!? :jerkit::claping hands: :facepalm: :whistle: :mad:

I'm no supporter of Thorn, I'm on the fence atm, let him prove himself and having digs at his appearance is pathetic and a 'low-blow', judge on this season, not appearance.

Agreed. Also, how can he choose 4-4-2 as a formation :facepalm: :whistle: :confused: :pointlaugh: ;)

Ball? :facepalm: :whistle: If we want to keep the ball on deck, we do not NEED a striker who can hold up the ball! (We already have one in Ball) Btw, it's Thorn! Just out of curiosity, where's your ST seat? You're a TW@

How come he's never on form? :confused: ... Or is it that he is just SH!T!? :whistle: Now we have Fleck, he is a squad member, not a 1st teamer imo.