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The 60m is obviously debt from other ventures dumped on CCFC like the Glaziers did at Man U, and other owners do. Intelligent from SISU, but very cuntish.

I think Man U will struggle for a season or 2, maybe 3 when Fergie goes. The good thing about Fergie's legacy is that he did f all in the first 4 years so hopefully his successor gets time.

I disagree, I believe Ferguson will have had his say on who he wants to succeed him, in that case, Moyes gets it every time, I like Everton, my 2nd team because of Moyes (First PL game was Everton last season!) but I think he's wasted at Everton, if Everton had money, he'd get top 4...

Without Martinez, Wigan would've been relegated years ago, he's kept them up and worked with the financial constraints extremely well, he built Swansea's foundations, and I think if he stayed, he would have took them to the PL anyway, a top manager with lots of potential, I hope he goes to Everton.

Peanuts? Dann + Fox for 5.5m when signed for 1m for both?

3. Clough 2. Fergie 1.Pressley

I'm well aware, hence I won't vote any of the top 3 parties. But at least Cameron, Miliband or Clegg put on the show Farage does, he's full of shit, and the bigger their party grows, the more obvious it will become.

Hmmm, interesting this one, there's a lot of hype around UKIP at the minute, but they don't have a single parliamentary seat, I doubt they'll get a single seat in 2015 because pragmatic right voters will vote Tory. As a socialist, I disagree with UKIP and what they stand for, but, UKIP have a...

Great judgement, as per usual.

The Royal Family doesn't bring in tourism. Firstly, London is a 'super city' that people will visit/conduct business with or without a monarchy. Secondly, people will continue to visit Buckingham Palace, without or without a monarchy, look at China who have guided tours around the Fobidden...

What!? There's no advantage of having a monarchy, none whatsoever, the whole monarchy debate is flawed on the royalist side... The Windsors should've been the first thing the Tories cut, biggest scrounges in this country, oh god, you've got me started! Off with their heads! Vive le republique!

I agree with most of that, on one hand, we have a council with a clear conflict of interest, but on the other, completely incompetent owners for as long as I've supported the club and before that as well, we have the worst of both worlds, sadly, but for many people, they only see only 1 'worst...

But do the public care enough to carry out scrutiny of CCC's actions. Look at the reaction on here after SISU took CCC to court over the ACL bail out, if CCC have done nothing wrong, that's ok, but what if they have, the people who criticised the decision obviously didn't care about scrutiny and...

No I wasn't, I said the CCC has no mandate - from the electorate, and the phrase 'elected representatives' is used to purify ACL - to make decisions on the RICOH.

Not really. A party voted in on it's manifesto, no matter how vague it is, has a mandate to make changes to the constitution, economy etc. but Labour weren't voted on any promises to do with the RICOH, so this 'elected body' nonsense doesn't hold much weight in this scenario. Anyway...

How did your post relate to my post in any way? It came from nowhere and as I said, has nothing to do with my post.

How does any of your points relate to my post? Do you know what mandate means?

... Did we forget the 'bourgeoisie' council as well? I'd also oppose that to, which I do. The context of the situation is this: we live in a capitalist society where there is private equity so I can't be blinkered based on political views (though it bounds to be inextricably linked somewhere)...

What mandate does the council have to make any decisions on the RICOH? Is the charity elected also? :thinking about:

Well said, I touched on a couple of your points (early help+ Swansea + Donny) but was largely ignored/branded a 'SISU rent boy', I don't see how the CCC can justify bailing out ACL especially when the same council refused to directly aid the club in its prolonged period of need. There's been...