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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Parliament could vote to revoke Article 50 if it came to that. Honestly, Theresa May is constantly snookering herself and that’s the biggest hinderance to Brexit at the moment. She really should just call another election, as it can’t get any worse for her even if the Tories lost seats — the...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’re right actually, I got mixed up with a few MPs who are now ‘independent’ and their circumstances. Ivan Lewis was also suspended for similar allegations than Woodcock and he also left the party. Investigations against them won’t be conducted by the Labour Party if they’ve resigned the whip...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If a deal can’t get agreed and Parliament moves against a no deal scenario, what’s next? I’m pretty sure when we had this discussion earlier in the thread, you believed the Government should announce its intention to leave without a deal if a deal cannot agree. Since Parliament is moving to...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So the allegations into his alleged sexual harassment of a colleague has nothing to do with it whatsoever? Woodcock is the one who politicised the issue around a Corbyn-led Labour in a classic ‘deflect attention away from me’ manoeuvre. Ask yourself, how you would feel about this had you not...
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Do you really think that proposal will pass through Parliament? Let’s not kid ourselves, it wouldn’t. My proposal or a so-called ‘People’s Vote’ would pass through Parliament if a major party would lend its weight to it. Tories aren’t going for a CU, so Labour wont support it. The Government...
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    Chaplin

    Have you seen how far we press up the pitch when we get the ball? If a striker didn’t come deep the options for Kelly and Bayliss become limited. Several times Doyle, and now Kelly have been caught out because there’s no options for them when they get the ball deep. We play good football and...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Why not have a two stage referendum? Remain vs Leave and if Leave won (if it is truly the ‘will of people’, it will), then a run off between ‘no deal’ and whatever the deal is on the table. If there’s a referendum, a Remain option will be on the ballot, we all know that.
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’m always sceptical of someone claiming to crusade in the name ‘the truth’ or someone who claims to be solely impartial. Precisely. The referendum of 2016 agreed in principle that the UK should leave the referendum. This is legitimate and a valid outcome. However, the interpretation of what...
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What would constitute as ‘wrecking havoc’, UKIP did that in 2015, and still only won one seat.
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What would be this mysterious Brexit Party’s policy on defence, education, the NHS, the economy, the environment, housing, immigration and so on. Besides, UKIP is polling at 6% at the minute and new Brexit party splits that, or at best, finds another 6-7% elsewhere. They may influence the...
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I love getting lectured on impartiality by someone who isn’t impartial themself. Everyone has their biases.
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’re completely sweeping that allegation under the carpet. Had I not known who your MP was, you would’ve continued to have presented him as a good MP pushed out by Corbyn and his policies which is simply not true. Labour have dropped the investigation because they cannot sanction him if found...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I know this, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s alleged to sexually harassed a former colleague. The Labour Party has a duty to investigate that, whether or not he is a critic of Corbyn or not. Frankly, Woodcock has claimed an investigation would ‘rigged’ but there’s no evidence of that...
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Hang on, John Woodcock was suspended from the Labour Party because he had allegations of sexual harassment made against him and he didn't want to cooperate with the internal Labour investigation! Corbyn didn't push him away, although Woodcock is not a fan, it's his alleged inappropriate...
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    They probably won't because they have some very, very marginal seats. They won one seat by 2 votes, another by 21, 60 and 75. About 14 seats that are very marginal and frankly, their record in the Scottish parliament isn't the greatest. That said, they're predicted to win back some seats they...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    He'll probably be unseated in another election. His current situation can't exactly help him. How can their position be clearer? Honestly, I am curious. They set out the following process: assess the Govt deal alongside its criteria (Customs Union being key to that), if the govt failed to pass...
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Is that a joke? SNP to get '70ish seats' when there are only 59 seats in Scotland... The Lib Dems won't get 25 seats either and UKIP/Brexit Party won't get 5-10 seats. We don't have proportional representation!
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Is that John Woodcock by any chance for Barrow and Furness? I've worked a door in Barrow -- I went to Lancaster University so have lived in the North West. Brexiteer MPs from the Conservatives who weren't on the ministerial payroll (and therefore, have to vote with the Government because of...
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In short, voters don't find the process of Euro Elections to be rewarding enough. Turnout is generally low for most votes, local elections, regional assembly elections (where relevant) and even most referendums. The Scottish Independence and EU referendums being the obvious exceptions to the...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Definition of a safe seat: 'a parliamentary seat that is likely to be retained with a large majority in an election'. In our system, you only have to get the most votes in a seat to win it, which is heavily skewed in the established parties favour. Like I mentioned earlier, UKIP got 12.6% of the...
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