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Stop calling them football lads. They are hooligans/thugs/criminals. They in no way represent our club in any way. In fact I would sooner they fooked off and supported someone else than bring shame on our club. You won't even take it from someone who has been involved in it. It's not big...

The point is that you shouldn't have to avoid those games with your kids.

Will you come back if SISU are still in charge and we are top of the league at Christmas?

We surely have more chance than bloody Doncaster.

Exactly, don't believe anything until it is officially announced. Even then, I am sceptical these days.

I'll use your season ticket :)

You have to assume not. Surely if he had kids he would not want them anywhere near stuff like that.

They are both as bad as each other. It may have been exciting as a kid but everyone has to grow up some time.

We need investment in the squad.

Football hooligans do affect society. Many businesses were impacted a couple of years back when Milwall fans smashed up anything in sight. My mate took his young lad to a game a couple of years back and now he won't go because he was scared by some of the violence nearby after the match. People...

It's not just about the fans taking part getting hurt. It's their own bloody fault if they do. It's about impact to people, fans or not, of their actions. That can be anything from people being too scared to leave their homes, to damage to property, cars etc as well as injuries. There is...

You miss the main point which is impact to innocent people.

Yes, it's just as ludicrous as your argument about hooliganism.

He started to show good form towards the end of the season.

I just don't like it being glorified. If people want to fight, that's fine. I'm not against fighting. I've taken part in boxing and mixed martial arts. Just do it in a controlled environment where innocent people are not impacted in any way. While people continue to do it en masse in public I am...

In fairness I didn't watch the video as on my phone. Will take your word for it on this incident but I still don't agree with it.

Haha. That doesn't surprise me. Plenty of idiots in our press.

Why not for fighting? It is still a crime. Just because you personally enjoy it doesn't make it less of a crime. It makes people living near the problems scared to leave their houses and get on with normal life. It's not acceptable and deserves punishment.

“Members of the public were seen in the street frozen in fear, including a group of pedestrians with baby buggies waiting to cross the road.” That is innocent people impacted. Even if they are not targeted. Property damage, which is inevitable, is innocent people being impacted.

As Rob has said, you cannot always look at these things in isolation. Even if it's first offence it is still a crime and should carry a punishment, though a lesser one.