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I don't think that's fair either! You have to take a chance - sometimes they work out...other times they don't. Look at Chelsea with Mourinho & AVB. Both successful pre-Chelsea. One delivered pretty well the other was a disaster. With Thorn we took a chance & it didn't work out. Let's just hope...

I stayed positive about Thorn to the bitter end, but equally can fully appreciate the reasoning for parting company after 3 games. He showed little sign of delivering what he's promised. And as Mexico88 said...what's all this "FACT" nonsense? We'll never know will we?

BUT - you stated earlier that Robins "is probably the best we could hope for"...based upon what exactly? As I pointed out, Wise's playing & managing enthusiasm, background & attitude PLUS stats make him my 1st choice of those known applicants.

Do you mind if at least I speak for myself? I want Wise based upon his record as a manager & what he will have learned from his Newcastle experience...& watching/listening to Keegan. I would expect he has something to prove as a manager & will therefore bring the same passion & enthusiasm for...

Joy Seppala (Frank Zappa): Witch arriving too late to save sinking ship

Joy Seppala (Frank Zappa): Witch arriving too late to save sinking ship

They just don't like the thought of putting more (Richard) Money into the club lol

Yup! That's attitude for ya

Money might not be the issue.

Exactly - you (& I) feel sufficiently passionate about our current state, & therefore motivated to make comments on here dad (??? Is that really you? If not please don't patronise me). If the team were bringing in fabulous performances you may not have commented on here for months. All I am...

We have to turn it around - I think the club is run by ruthless people. Promotion by some means is the only acceptable outcome - I sense from the forum that it's a "failure is not an option" scenario...so it will be interesting to see what happens if we are not promoted (i.e. There are instantly...

You cannot say what anyone elses motivation is...for example what motivated you to make a posting about this thread...but not others? Only you know the true answer to that question. Something (or some things) has got the players' attitude to a bad place. Could be salary/bonus issues, formation...

Hmmm..."Mr Brown's boys" just to reignite the comedy-club theme?

We are all human beings & have certain common behavioural traits. In every walk of life behaviour/performance/effectiveness/outcomes are influenced by 3 things personal to each of us: - Knowledge: do we know what we are supposed/need to do to achieve the outcome we want? (These are...

How do you "tossed" too?

I sympathise with Crouchie...I think he's overlooked a bit purely because managers/coaches in general cannot understand exactly how he manages to do what he does so they think they cannot put a structure in place to suit him...so they dismiss him. The fact is he has an eye for goals...

Yeah...Pinky or Perky...Laurel or Hardy...let's face we have a. No idea because we do not know exactly what the criteria are b. No influence on the decision whatsoever

Shame really - my thoughts are that he's a really good manager & he'd turn us around. Get us up fighting at the top end of the championship & maybe to the Prem over 3 seasons...but it's just a matter of time before he'd think "it ain't worth it" again.

Ask Mr Madjewski what exactly???

Beating Brum suggests they are good enough. Just nowhere near consistently good enough. Maybe Shaw/Carsely were more fired-up themselves for that one (enthusiasm/passion/belief is contagious if it's convincing...fans take note)