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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    There’s 10 articles Pete, which of these articles did the UK not adhere too before the ECHR was a thing? The UK first had trials by jury in the 12th century (England at that point). The ECHR is literally based on English and French laws (based on US Dec of Independence, which in turn is based...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Yes it would. I’d actually go one step further and go as far to say that English common law traditions already guarantee all the human rights and liberties outlined in the ECHR. If that’s the case, we don’t need the ECHR then. It’s quite ironic seeing you two have no idea about our history...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    Without Rudoni …..

    Rudoni 100% plays ahead Saka and EMC.
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    Match Thread Wrexham AFC - Coventry City Match Thread - Friday 31st Oct

    My old flatmate is a Burnley fan and spoke about the rivalry and he seems aware that rivalry is irrationally intense but still buys into it. It sounds like a mental derby. Apparently they close the motorway/A road that connect the two to police escort away fans and it’s common to have 8-10ft...
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    How does it protect them if it prevents the government deporting violent criminals? Anyway, you could rewrite the ECHR, amend the articles and how they’re applied and you have the same rights. We’re going around in circles from previous convos, the bottom line is that Europe and the ECHR isn’t...
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Is this just all a storm in a teacup to you then? That there’s no issue with criminality or welfare dependency. We’re happy to use statistics to demonstrate men are more violent than women and younger people more violent than the elderly and so on… So why is it taboo to point out there may be...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Where was the data sourced from? The MoJ. That think tank mostly uses government sources… If collate a bunch of data from FotMob and present it, I’m the ‘source’ but my data samples come from FotMob.
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    This question is phrased poorly because refugee status is granted once your asylum claim has been accepted. Given that the UK is an island no one can just cross a border to end up here. Therefore, the principle should be that claims are processed outside the UK. One of issues we’re having is...
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Raw numbers? No. As a % of population? Probably also no. The MoJ is not accurate? In fact, the true numbers could be higher because the 'British' will also include naturalised migrants as well as 2nd and 3rd generation migrants. There's also comparative data to draw upon from countries like...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Yes, and the data comes from the MoJ.
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Are Ukrainians arriving via small boat? I don’t think they are. Ukraine also banned military aged men leaving the country. So the vast majority of refugees were women, children and the elderly. I have a friend who fled Ukraine and her father was physically stopped at the border and had to...
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Via illegal routes, the number should be 0. Even so, crossing two continents and the English Channel to claim asylum is obviously ridiculous. The 1951 Refugee Convention is not fit for purpose if left unreformed. Therefore, the proposal to amend the convention to only allow clams of refuge in...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    On the ECHR, it’s not in the UK’s gift to change it. Well it has, polling shows 29% of voters want to withdraw from it altogether. Interestingly, the support for the ECHR is almost unanimously in favour of remain among LD-G-Lab voters (around 85%). It’s a bit more split among Tory and Reform...
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Crossing Afghanistan-Iran-Turkey-Greece-France-UK is not exactly ‘feeling for their lives’. The refugee conventions were not made with people picking and choosing which country to claim asylum in. That there is the pertinent point.
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    The majority of the electorate accept that trade off. This is how leaving the ECHR has gone from fringe opinion to the mainstream in little over a year. The current frameworks are just not working for us (or Europe) and there’s no sign of that changing. This is an issue that seems to be...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Anyone who arrives illegally should be barred from entry altogether, no exceptions. I disagree with the principle of banning based on religion but the system needs to be more restrictive towards nationalities that tend to be economically unproductive and are overrepresented in crime statistics...
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    This a straw man and you’re better than that. If anyone is coming here legally and on a salary that means they’ll be a net-tax contributor, welcome. To generalise, there aren’t too many high income migrants from low income countries arriving legally or illegally. Particularly, the example of...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    Pretty much any country that records nationality of offenders finds the same reoccurring patterns. There’s a much higher levels of criminality and welfare dependency from nations and regions of the world that are poorer and more violent. Which is not unexpected. For example, you’re just not...
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    In terms of raw numbers, Brits will obviously lead most, if not all categories. The MoJ shows a 1/4 of sex offences are committed by foreign nationals (around 10% of the population). In London, that figure is 40% and what these figures do not actually highlighted is crimes committed by...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    Immigration and Asylum

    No, I don’t think this is being blown out of proportion at all and MoJ data actually supports this. From what I gather, you do seem to acknowledge that there’s a problem with migrant crime. Is that correct? The secondary issue is that successive governments have shown they’re incapable of...
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