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But that would be a poor deal - a good deal would be a rent where ACL is not making a loss and I think that will be the figure both sides could live with.

Any negative number with a 'm' after it is big and scary!

Now here's where you can all accuse me for being naive, but I think the ship is now stabilizing and we are heading for calmer waters. I have made a real nuisance of myself over the last 1½ years trying to explain why I find the actions made by the new regime (after sisu took control when Ranson...

Whoa! I win the teddy bear! :):):)

Thanks Wingy. This is from FAQ-2-Money Talks: Loans. Much is discussed about the SISU and other loans. Here are the facts as have so far been made available. On takeover the net liabilities of the group were discounted down by £35m leaving net debts of £8m for SISU to fund plus £3m losses from...

Must be a bit more as we owed them £23.4m by 31/05/09.

At least we will be going ... I can understand your hatred towards sisu, but I fail to understand why you (and in fairness a few others - you are not alone) need to label your fellow fans 'sisu lovers'. I don't think there are any sisu lovers on this board - and possibly not on the entire planet.

Yes, but they couldn't control it as they only had one vote at the board. Sisu's job was to provide funding within the businessplan - Ranson's (and the rest of the board whereof only one member was a sisu appointee) job was to run the club, keep within the budgets and live on the agreed...

Actually I am with you a long way on this. Sadly (or maybe happily), the one to blame left the club last December.

Humble pie can actually taste very sweet. You should try it.

Maybe selling Keogh can bring in most of that.

Yeah, that's code for: The money will be used to cover the odd bills and bring the club one more step towards financial survival.

Nope - they are doing what they have done since taking over the boardroom last year: Balancing the books. It's their main priority as they see it as the only way to keep the club alive. There are new players in, but I bet you the overall wage bill will be significantly slimmer than last season...

And if somebody needs proof of how hard he tried, they just need to look at the newly published accounts. They are an exact testiment to what he and Ranson and Elliott achieved over the three years they ran the club.

KD left 7 month ago almost to the date. That's more like 32 weeks. So your math is not too impressive either.

Sure they know what's going on ... it's the 'how', 'why', 'when' and 'who' they struggle with.

Don't you just love company accounts consolidation ... or what ever it's called. Pure voodoo.

I've been talking like that since I joined, but so far I have managed to hide behind the keyboard.

Thank you, I aprreciate that. We got £7m for a £4m asset - I am content with that.

What is worse? A loss of £100 or a loss of £101?