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    ACL Shoot themselves in the foot & The Fans in the Head

    Chain of events ... When did it all start, where should it have stopped? If the rent is the heart of the issue, then I would argue that the time lapse play a major part in leading to where we are. Question is could ACL have accepted lower rent much sooner? Could they have arrived at their...
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    Full house tomorrow

    Nice try :D
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    It's confirmed 10 points

    I wouldn't count on it.
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    "OK I'll Ask the Question"

    Are you even reading the posts or just picking up random words?
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    "OK I'll Ask the Question"

    It may not have been a lie, but a part of a plan they have not yet executed. To me that plan could be: Reduce the rent cost, obtain Higgs shares at ACL, convert debts to equity, release shares to fans, restart from scratch. As long as they haven't been able to agree rent terms with ACL that...
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    "OK I'll Ask the Question"

    In your original post you highlighted the word Prooved and put in brackets that it was said. They may have said it, but that is not proof of anything other that they said it. They didn't show paperwork, the files at company house doesn't show it. We have no proof.
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    "OK I'll Ask the Question"

    I think it's the other way around. It seems nobody is allowed to give any reasonable explanation for their actions without being heavily abused.
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    "OK I'll Ask the Question"

    I am immune.
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    "OK I'll Ask the Question"

    Please read the many posts by OSB more carefully. You are way off the mark. Sisu have invested something like £30m - £35m in cash injection to cover losses. That's approximately equal to the combined loss over the past 5½ years. It was never £12m, but about £6m p/y under Ranson and less after...
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    £60m debt. Sisu doubters proved correct

    Ok - so until we are shown evidence we can at least agree that sisu never injected £60m into the club/group and that there actually may be a fair, legal and valid explanation to how and why the amount is listed.
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    £60m debt. Sisu doubters proved correct

    I think so - and as a professionel auditor yourself I was hoping you could think of some explanations. Was some of the debts written off by creditors but with a clause that it would be repaid in full if the club got promoted to PL? Would that serve as an explanation?
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    Ryton Training Ground

    They can only do something if the truth is out there. As sisu is involved there are no truth to be found (according to many) so they will be on an impossible mission.
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    £60m debt. Sisu doubters proved correct

    The administrator appears to be a highly skilled accountant and auditor. He will be able to follow the paper trail. It will surely take time and cost a fortune, but in the end he will be able to reveal what is up and down.
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    New ACL statement 26-03-13 21.13

    I am not saying much about that - I am waiting for official announcements from FL/FA and the administrator before I make a judgement. Until then it's all speculation, spin and myths.
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    £60m debt. Sisu doubters proved correct

    All accounts are signed off by auditors - there must be an explanation that satisfy them, or what am I missing?
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    £60m debt. Sisu doubters proved correct

    How can they exploit that? The creditors are surely named in the internal books - creditor list.
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    what is a hedge fund?...

    The loans provided by the funds draw no interest.
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    what is a hedge fund?...

    Hedge funds are usually only paid a success fee. Something like 1-2% of the profit made. The fee is usually paid by the funds - not the company owned by the funds. There have in previous financial reports been no indication that sisu have taken any fee from the club or the group.
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    New ACL statement 26-03-13 21.13

    Yes, I am dead serious. The administrator cannot simply accept somebody's - anybody's - word. In this case there are two part who dissagree. The administrator have to investigate ... follow the paper trail from start to end before he can be satisfied. It has nothing to do with preferences for...
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    New ACL statement 26-03-13 21.13

    No, it's not enough that somebody says something. The club may have filed correctly but a clerical error happened. The administrator have to check all possibilities.
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