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Problem with this old vs young (or experience vs idealism) is that young people get older and the process continues in a vicious circle.

Piece on BBC news channel saying they've had researchers going through social media to find a single piece of support for the car crash speech. Nearly an hour gone and haven't found one yet.

Noticed the landslide. Given the quality and popularity of the policies any particular reason they didn't win?

Surely the lesson from 2017 is that manifestos aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Key word is bilateral. What about all the others opinions ?

Simplistic surely. Every party has popular and unpopular policies. Much the same as some misguided Brexiteers you can't cherry pick policies

BTW all these tory mps complaining but they had an extra election to put May in charge of all this anyway.

Nope jokes are funny

You should be writing manifestos. Calling the electorate thick is a surefire winner.

Let's face it even if it gets through the Commons the Lords will make a mess of it. Even if May deal would be backed does anyone believe they can sort everything else out in the remaining 2 years.

So British public naturally have more faith in a disastrous tory govt than any Labour one ? :)

Got to be honest you have a chance to address the people on a national issue and that's the best you can up with. Take a bit more time to explain it.

So just a continuation of the blame game. Appealing to the public yet how do the public force parliament to act in such a late, short time period?

It's a pathetic start.

Obviously both 2 outstanding moral characters. Or is this really how far UK politics has sunk when these are the best 2 people to lead our 2 biggest parties

Because even if it's only one chance you have to take it. Others stayed. No different from May - it's only my way that counts. He's still saying back my deal and I'll take you out or I'll back a referendum that may keep you in. She's still saying it's her deal and nothing else.

so corbyn walks out of multi-party talks because 2 independent MPs there?

nope. blackmailing her deal through.

Trump still wading in. if he had his way we'd need still Polish builders to build a wall across the South coast anyway

Brexit: 90% say handling of negotiations is 'national humiliation' - Sky Data poll something 90% on here can agree with regardless of standpoint. surprised the Govt gets away with as little as 34% of the outright blame