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Id agree. Where we differ I’d imagine is that I think Sisus personal politics and lack of understanding of the difference between dealing with private orgs and local authorities meant they picked a strategy doomed to fail.

And you’re doing what all conspiracy theorists do and weaving together snippets of unrelated info and leaving out othersolid facts to create an overarching narrative that doesn’t exist. I’m going to leave this here TBH. Don’t want to derail a productive thread.

You’re quite possibly right. But that was different owners. Relationship with Sisu started OK IIRC. Also, that was the point to start getting your ducks in a row for an alternative. As I e said repeatedly the rent was almost certainly too high especially after we dropped to L1, but the strategy...

The fact that there’s been cross party consensus on the councils approach and not a single councillor from any party or none has broken cover for political gain is a real signal to me there’s more than just a group of nasty people at the heart of the council. Blundell has already come out...

But who was being cunts? Honest question again I’m not as into this as you? And why does someone who isn’t there any more being cunts matter today? That’s my point. I bring my Dad up (not particularly willingly as you know) because that’s not rumour or a one sided account from someone trying to...

I mean maybe? But still doesn’t sit right with me as clearly today is not at all in the councils interests 😂 Richardson will be hard nosed businessman I’d imagine and will be making decisions for himself. CCC are the easiest to hold to account here. We need a statement from Duggins clearly...

I don’t get this idea that CCC are bossing Wasps around at all. Why would they let them? It’s perfectly possible for it to be in Wasps interests. We really need someone to ask the question of CCC.

You’ve also got to consider that since Sisu CCFC have been quite anti council. See aligning with council critics from the start, and apparently Fisher calling them “a bunch of communists” when asked if he’d talk to them I heard yesterday. CCC just want an easy life. They probably wanted Wasps...

It does. If I were Gilbert I’d be straight on the phone asking them to confirm they don’t need indemnity. Not whether they asked for it, that’s full of loopholes. Just a simple “we do not need indemnity, it’s Wasps decision”.

Yeah definitely. We’re thinking even if the state aid remedy isn’t actually carried out (see previous discussion about Brexit), it would be enough to open those cases up for Sisu.

No. CCC could simply have told Wasps that a certain action against them would threaten Wasps status at the Ricoh (or, for the less council hatey Wasps employed lawyers who found it out themselves), that doesn’t mean CCC asked for the indemnity, Wasps did. We need someone to ask the council if...

No. The only fines the ECJ hand out are to member states for repeated breaches of state aid rules. The action they demand is “recovery of the aid”. An easier one to understand is if it was cash payment rather than undervaluing. Let’s say CCC just handed Wasps £10m in a brown envelope, the...

It doesn’t have to be the council. It can be that Wasps think the council are a weak point that could be exploited. What we need is someone to get the council to confirm they don’t want it. That would be the smoking gun if they won’t do that. Goes against all the previous statements.

I mean nothing’s proven. But if we assume Gilbert and his sources aren’t lying then it’s proven. No indemnity for Wasps means they’d have to pay back any aid with no impact on Sisu.

Depends if the prosecution’s case is “hundreds of unrelated people are working together to make this guy murder someone” 😉 (that’s the only one I rise to, promise)

We don’t have that at all? We know Wasps want CCC indemnified. We don’t know why or at who’s request. You’re seeing what you want to see.

It was always word play mate. “Indemnity” vs “drop the legals”. It’s been that way for a year. They both essentially mean the same thing. Sisu wanted people to think it was paying for the state aid remedy and there’s people in this thread who still believe that, when that’s been proven false.

We don’t know CCC are insisting on it. We know Wasps are insisting on it. Two theories: - Wasps are CCCs bitch and doing what they’re told - Wasps think there’s some threat to them from action against CCC We really need to know the legal ins and outs. The idea that Sisus plan is to try and...

Exactly. Two of the big stumbling blocks in talks have been abiding by ECJ judgements and state aid.

I’ll be honest mate, it makes more sense than “private business gets bosses around by local council against their wishes”. But we’re all just reading tea leaves aren’t we? The result is the same: Wasps want to guarantee their future at the Ricoh come what may. Not sure what it’s got to do with...