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Depends.

Almost certainly.

How can we get to him? To drag this back on topic. The reason I'm so pedantic about whether it's CCC who asked for CCC to be protected or Wasps is if we can isolate Wasps then all the nonsense falls away and we might be able to embarrass him. While everyone can point to everyone else we get...

Agreed. Like I said (I think) I heard Sisu wanted ownership during talks. Could be they've been spending too much time on here and think Wasps will go pop and they can pick up the pieces. Just always feels like the resolution is just over the horizon. Wait for the JR. Wait for JR2. Wait for...

1 down 22 to go. EPL here we come.

Honestly think we won't see anything concrete until the state aid judgement. Maybe we should be sending letters and protests to the ECJ?

What's the aim of it all though? Just to make us feel better? Sure crack on, though probably better to go with the shit on Wasps doorstep idea. Make any kind of difference? I can't see how it would do anything but hinder. Karen who's been helping little Alopecia learn her dance routine for...

Agree. Feels very much like this though: Though I suppose after 22 years he was right!

*Bites tongue about SBT's attitude to the other SBT for the last several years*

Really not sure that's smart. Lot of football agnostic people quite excited and committed to that. Go in like a wrecking ball on something people see as unrelated and public opinion about fans can turn quick. See BLM/XR/Peta etc.

Yeah I'm sure, but equally all those others involved? Lawyers, accountants, other cabinet members? In theory at least there should be a brake on it. But you'd expect them all to be working off what 'became clear' according to the people in the room. But then Lucas and Duggins as well? I have a...

The worst thing about digging back to 2014 is how eerily similar the noises from Sisu are to today. Which I guess depending on your flavour means either they've always been telling the truth or never have 🙃

That's the hardest part in all of this, both sides playing word games and just when you think you've found something you spot a nuance or conflicting report. What a fucking mess. Really need that state aid judgement in ASAP.

Got to be honest, going back to primary sources to refresh my memory and I'm even more confused than ever.

Got to say, the more I read this stuff, the more I hate the phrase 'it became clear'.

I mean, there is argument: ' In separate litigation between the Higgs Charity and a SISU related company just prior to the Judicial Review hearing it became clear that SISU were not prepared to pay a sum quoted at £2m to acquire the Higgs Charity 50% stake in ACL and even if they were prepared...

I mean that's a PR issue isn't it? I work for a subscription based company and we've let people off terms when it's clear it's not worth pursuing them and risking bad PR. For some of the tiers, it'd be as simple as deactivating their ST/discount car/iFollow sub/whatever. That's why I say for...

The fundamental difference from what I can tell is that without a sports tenant ACL was worthless. So Sisu were negotiating assuming that without them it was worthless. Wasps threw a spanner in those works, making CCFC not the only game in town raised the value of ACL. I can see how Sisu would...

Higgs was the 50% offer. Council's a little murkier TBF, just rereading the council report. They definitely entered discussions, but just say ' It became clear very quickly that the only terms on which SISU would consider even making an offer for ACL were on the basis that the sale of the Arena...

It never got to that point. They were offered 50% of ACL for £2m and turned it down, they were offered all of ACL and turned it down. They have repeatedly stated publicly and privately they didn't want what Wasps were asking for.