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So it’s because the party is called Green?

The people who have to pay the fine or be unconvinced are people with older vehicles. Now who are these people likely to side with at an election? Are they likely to think - “oh yes I’ll inconvenience myself and save the planet” or will they look to a political party that would back them and...

It didn’t Tony because my basic point is the only people inconvenienced are the poorest - in looks like your inner Tory is returning

It was an extreme case to illustrate the absurdity of Tony’s argument. My rather lovely brand new Mercedes of course would qualify so why would I care. I can wave at the plebs now standing at the bus stop as they can’t afford the fee.

You aren’t really supporting the argument to let 16 year olds vote by declaring greens are the young people’s party of choice

Where is the source of this data?

It refers to the number of fines Tony doesn’t it not the actual number of cars potentially impacted? Also it’s a stat I believe from the mayoral data office?

How was the 200,000 calculated Tony? It’s not actually dispelling the 700,000 even by your own admission. Do you know how the SMMT calculate the car parc out of interest?

Rather unanimous https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/presidential-debate-winner-loser.html

Tony the RAC have identified 700,000 used vehicles are impacted by this - ie used vehicle parc in the Greater London area. So your comment “they probably owned a compliant car anyway” is classics Antionette behaviour. It’s factually inaccurate.

That’s lovely. Shame if they own a non compliant Land Rover with a price guide of £18,000 - still line up the mini folks

It hasn’t bypassed me. What you are saying is anyone with a non compliant car has to sell it - well that’s easy as it’s non compliant - then buy another and hope it’s as reliable as the vehicle they were happy with. You are turning into the Marie Antionette of this forum Tony.

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-us-swing-states-voting-intention-8-11-june-2024/

“why can’t those pesky people buy an old mini” https://media.rac.co.uk/pressreleases/drivers-of-nearly-700000-cars-in-greater-london-could-be-liable-to-pay-the-ulez-charge-when-the-zone-is-expanded-this-summer-3241731

That’s great logic Tony. So you are driving a 2015 diesel SUV for your family of 5- you first have to find a buyer for and then e a contortionist to fit in a 20 year old mini. Another cunning plan by The Tonester.

Duracell boy has woke up I see

The golf discussion was just like a comedy sketch

I think he might. He’s marginally ahead now in most polls and that’s before last nights fiasco

Of course it does. Most diesels built before 2016 don’t qualify