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  1. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No. It is an accurate description of the people leading the UK into the unknown.
  2. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    They interviewed people on TV at time of the collapse of the car industry in Coventry. They interviewed my neighbour who blamed the unions. They interviewed a shop steward who blamed the management for giving in to union demands too easily. My father lost his job and blamed the unions. No one...
  3. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Good question. Tell me...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The products we produced were old fashioned and unreliable. Not only did people in the EU prefer modern cheaper products, but also in other markets. The Japanese took our place in motor cars and motorcycles in addition to the Germans. Our productivity- measured in man hours to produce cars - was...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I thought we we were in the top six in the world at the time of the referendum. If only CCFC could have performed as well as the UK in the EU during the last 44 years... But you count that as failure?
  6. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No. I didn’t. There wasn’t the same coverage of things those days and there was no internet where you could be influenced one way or the other. I never heard that angle and didn’t vote because of the UK financial position. I voted for more jobs, more exports and a future in Europe. I am happy...
  7. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I don’t know if it is just wages being lower because that is regional. It could be depending upon what you are manufacturing and the amount of skilled labour needed. Some say that taxation should be fairer and operate within given bands. This would stop other countries undercutting the UK by...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Most people don’t have credit cards in Germany and prefer paying by cash. The taxman hates that and is having a war on cash businesses. 500,00€ notes are being phased out next year to make large payments a bit more complicated. My German credit cards are in fact charge cards and get cleared...
  9. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So you are saying that we have enough skills to cover any downturn in other areas because of Brexit?
  10. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Depends how you class poverty. If you take it as earning so much % below average wage, then there will always be poverty because when average wage grows, then the definition of poverty grows with it. Average wages are outpacing inflation in Germany. As with everything else on here there are...
  11. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What claims? The claims were: export markets for our then bigger manufacturing base. Jobs because of this. And we wanted to be part of the European project. That is what I voted for in the first referendum. Our manufacturing industry was outdated, unionised with too many competing unions...
  12. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What? I wasn’t aware of that. Which countries were we catching up with? Never heard of that angle. You are making things up.
  13. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes. look where India was, or China. Where‘s the problem? What‘s you point? Would you prefer them to stay poor? I am not claiming that they have caught up with us because the EU is bad. How do you get that? They are catching up with us because of technology and other factors. We actually help...
  14. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If you mean that it is a spectacular failure because other countries are catching up, then you mistake the aims of economics. I want other countries to catch up, but I want to be able to compete with them and to do that we need to stick together. How does an offshore island intend to compete...
  15. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We are wealthier, our economy was one of the strongest in the world, we were protected economically, we have had a peaceful relationship with the rest of Europe and we had even solved the Irish problem. The refugee problem and the terrorism problem were created by wars which we fought as the...
  16. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You really sum up the Brexit mentality. The plucky Brits who are happy to smash Europe as if we are in a 40’s war situation. Who cannot understand why we need stability in Europe, and who do not want to understand that. Who would rather wave Union Jack’s and sing Rule Britannia than look at our...
  17. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I thought true democracy was through referenda when you ask people, who haven’t got a clue about the subject, a yes no question and tell them it is only an advisory referendum. After telling them some whopping lies of course to make sure they get the right answer - hopefully.
  18. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes Vladimir.
  19. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Why? We need stability in Europe more than ever. Merkel is meeting with the SPD on Monday. The branch of the youth movement in Düsseldorf is not exactly her own party turning against her. So wait and see.
  20. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Anyone writing a massive promise on a massive red bus and then touring around with it should expect to be called out and ridiculed for the foreseeable future.
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