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Are you ok? I was clearly referring to the Kirk shooter and questioned why Pete would even compare the 2 cases.

I don't know what your point is. I said i wouldn't want us to be like the States? Not sure why you can't accept its a different country with different laws and a different culture though.

But under the current law you have a 22 year old man who legally owned a firearm. Shooting someone in the neck in public was the very illegal bit.

I think its a strange thing to say to be honest. The murderer is 22 years old, an adult. Most Americans own guns and despite what we think of them, most of them do so without murdering people.

Feeling guilt isn't the same as blame. I'd feel guilt if my son did any such thing too as you'd wonder what you could have done differently.

Why? Most Americans own guns and most parents won't assume their offspring are potential murderers. Blame American society if you want but its hardly on the father is it, its just what Americans do.

Worse obviously, i would think that goes without saying.

Definitely rather be in the UK. At least our civil war will be less shooty.

Yes i agree, they have access to weapons that only soldiers should have available to them. I'm really not sure how they would walk it back at this point though.

So are many other countries. It is culturally quite different from the UK despite our common language for sure.

You will never take guns from the hands of the American public. We can mock them for being a bunch of headcases, as we should as good Brits, but its a completely irrelevant discussion. It will never ever happen, there would be civil war if anyone tried it.

I fail to any reason that any 'blame' would fall on the father. My wife learned to shoot when she lived in Cyprus, her dad taught her. As far as i know she's not camped on a roof right now and if she was the only thing her dad would be to blame for would be making her a good shot.

You said surely there's an element of blame. You made a judgement on a man who as far as we know has done nothing wrong other than spawning a son who is a murderer.

Right so this guy allowed his underage son access as opposed to a 22 year old having the legal right to ownership of his own firearm. Desperate attempt to pin the blame elsewhere.

Why? It's a country where you can legally own firearms so many do, its within the law. His dad i'm sure taught him how to shoot targets or animals, why would he be to blame for him shooting a person?

Back on planet earth Badenoch is suffering from those before her turning her party into a complete irrelevance. No one really knows much about her, no one cares. Something that the person following Starmer may soon have to deal with.

Maybe some totally out of touch politician can call the people of Wales a bunch of racists/fascists. I hear that tactic is working incredibly well right now.

https://nation.cymru/news/sensational-poll-shows-welsh-labour-senedd-election-meltdown-and-plaid-cymru-and-reform-neck-and-neck-for-the-lead/ As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.

Just Doug doing Doug things.

I think he's the most likely 'one out' at this point.