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  1. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think you need to speak to the other opposition parties that are more interested in their petty manoeuvres to not back him and his VONC.
  2. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Not for much longer....
  3. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think that Corbyn would do well to bring him into his cabinet.
  4. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You have only have to look at that plinth - it’s nothingy bollocks.
  5. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I read an article about him, it said he wanted to produce a manifesto not too dissimilar to Labour 2017 but was stopped/blocked/talked out of it by people like Leslie, Cooper, Burnham and others.
  6. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Cameron got his majority because Labour were so bad at showing themselves as being any different to the Tories at that time.
  7. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Pursuing a GE was the riskiest of all strategies especially for Labour and Corbyn. Tories would have pitched it as ‘those against the will of the people’ - it’s hardly personal ambition. The long term future of the country went to shit the day the referendum was announced.
  8. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Then there was no way for it ever to go back to people. The Tories would never have allowed it, in fact the only way we’re talking about it being a possibility is because of Labour’s intervention.
  9. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    And then some.... centre politics is dead. Just ask the currently polling at 0% TIG....
  10. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    And when did the 2nd Ref crew start calling for that? How successful were they? The fact you keep ignoring is that Labour has the most complex voting demographic in the country. It was always going to be much harder for them to keep their voters happy. The strategy of trying to be in control of...
  11. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Tells you everything you need to know about the Lib Dems really.
  12. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’m not arguing with you over whether No-Deal should be stopped. It should. Post 2017 - there is simply no way there was appetite in the electorate for another referendum. This has changed now I agree (though maybe not quite as much as some people would make out) but it has only come into...
  13. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Labour lost 50 Scotland seats in 2010 because they had turned into the Tories by the end of Blair/ Brown. They did just as bad in 2015 under their continued Tory-lite banner. That is irrelevant to the Corbyn discussion unless you acknowledge that his policies started the long road to redemption...
  14. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Including a No-Deal?
  15. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    To be in control of the negotiations when it was clear the current government were incapable....? Not sure you can call that bad strategy. Also - Labour have lost voters to Lib Dems in safe metropolitan seats. But what about Leave voting northern seats? Do they count for less, even when these...
  16. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    And if Leave won again? Then what?
  17. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    By attempting to bring Leave and Remain together? Labour’s intransigence (although frustrating because it would never be supported by the media) was the way it should have been done from Day 1.
  18. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Or he was unhappy with backstop. You can’t stop linking him to Ireland - seems strange for you not to bring it up.
  19. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    True Corbyn and McDonnell want to negotiate their own deal and put it to the people. Sturgeon wants independence - the thing is a No-Deal Brexit strengthens the chance of her winning one but not getting one. Corbyn would give her a referendum on it in return for a coalition. TIG - who gives a...
  20. Ian1779

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Which means that party manoeuvres are more important than stopping a No Deal. Swinson, Soubry and the so-called Tory rebel’s all claim to want to stop no deal at all costs. It’s not true is it.
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