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Take your point entirely, although I'm sure that the Council would have been slaughtered here and elsewhere for not helping the club had they taken that decision, (probably by many of those here who clearly believe that the council are actively working against the club). It also sticks in my...

What evidence, precisely?

A fair point, but then there's enough evidence in the Higgs trial as to SISU's method of 'negotiating' to draw conclusions as to why Fisher's roadmap failed, and why things like getting the bank debt for half-price didn't look likely either. That would seem to refute a fair amount of SISU's JR...

I'm not disputing that HoT was agreed, or that it obviously failed. But you're piling into the Council here and blaming them for the failure, unless I'm mistaken, and I'm pointing out that that's an opinion based on what you've heard from one side. As the Higgs case shows, that's a mistake to...

Ah, you see my background is neo-brutalist, where the focus is on the front cover and the readers' wives, rather than the author. :) Edit: Smiley added, just in case.

It's an unchallenged document, created by one side, SISU - to support a court case. Like I say, if you think there's evidence in there then point to the specific thing that proves your assertion. I'm not denying anything, the 'facts' that you mention have been chosen by one side and obviously...

I use it to stop lazy people saying, "Yeah but this is a fact", when really it isn't. Especially when it's chucked in alongside the implication that no one other then them has ever bothered to read the document in question. If you want to use it as a stalling tactic, that's down to you - I...

Yes. I've read it. I also read a similar 'statement of facts' they put forward in the counterclaim for the Higgs case, much of which was shot down in court of course. Have you read those transcripts? The problem is that what is in SISU's JR case is selective and unchallenged, being as it is...

Yep, it's a statement of facts, but it's from SISU. In other words it's from one side and has not been challenged in court yet. That's why I think it's risky to rely on it as a single source of information, which is what I feel is happening in this article and elsewhere.

It is basically a rehash of the SISU JR skeleton argument though, isn't it? That what strikes me about Rob's (and possibly Les's) pov, they seem to have taken the SISU JR argument and largely accepted it. There's a belief that the debt could have been bought from the bank at half or less of...

All in favour of digging stuff out, though again I've got to say that your motive for this seems to be to 'prove' that ACL isn't sustainable. Have I read that correctly?

It's pretty remarkable, this. You'd think that if there were a group of businessman involved, they'd at least all chuck a tenner in to get the ball rolling. At the moment there's a solitary £1 donation. It might be legit, but I'm far from convinced. If you're going to ask for investment, I...

A dark art at that, in my experience. ;)

I think it's fair enough to offer that as an opinion, as long as it's clear that it is an opinion. There's not enough evidence to suggest that ACL can or can't succeed without CCFC at the moment to my mind. As for CCFC being self-sufficient, no issue with that either, as long as there's an...

I think it's always a risky assumption that if something isn't denied then of necessity that makes it true. This is a favourite argument of Torch's, and I think he's generally right on this (wrong on everything else though, except Lloyd McGrath). ;) To be honest, I think the point you're...

All politics aside, fan to fan, if you are going to buy a season ticket the smart move is to use your credit card. The club will still get the money, but if they should go pop (for any reason), at least you'll be able to get your money back. This only applies to Credit Cards - Debit Cards do...

I take the point entirely on the car parking charges at the Ricoh for matchdays, but I suppose there's an element of supply and demand here. In truth Torchy, if it was the club rather than ACL running the car parks I suspect that the charges would be similar. If so, would it still upset you...

Personally, I don't know why you'd charge anyone to go into a car boot sale. The stall holders pay for the pitch, the best way to get a decent attendance is surely to charge nowt? Old Coventrians (A45/Tile Hill Lane) usually have a respectably sized one going from May, fwiw - free entry I...

Just as a very quick aside mate, with apologies if you've considered it already, have you looked at the Amazon Associates type of thing? God knows the missus buys enough tat online - I'd be more than happy to have her order stuff through the forum site if it helps. Might even chip in myself...

The problem is that the terms of the original offer, £1.5m up front and £4m to follow over ten years, weren't acceptable (largely I think because of a lack of security). SISU never addressed that. That's in those original documents too. In retrospect, given how SISU seemed to be able transfer...