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  1. duffer

    Judicial review thread - day 2

    Can you be thrown out, locked up, for intestinal rumbling? Dangerous times! It sounds like the Judge really has got it in for that particular QC, do you think he ran over his dog? Time for a gratuitous Simpsons quote, I feel... Hutz: No don't you worry Mrs. Simpson, I-Uh-oh. We've drawn...
  2. duffer

    Judicial review thread - day 2

    Has he got a bag big enough to hold a smoking gun? I'm waiting for the big reveal... :)
  3. duffer

    Judicial review thread - day 2

    I want the whole place knocking down and the scrapyards back. Where can I get a spare headlight for my Cortina now? Also, I have nowhere to park my caravan. ;) Edit: Added smiley, for clarity.
  4. duffer

    Judicial review thread - day 2

    I'm in. When do we march on the Council House? ;)
  5. duffer

    Judicial review thread - day 2

    After analysing all this in great detail, I've come to this conclusion.... I'm going to let the Judge decide. ;)
  6. duffer

    Judicial review thread - day 2

    You're supposed to be paying attention in there mate. How can we give you a kicking if you're just going to talk about cricket all day. ;)
  7. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Wire brush and dettol, that'll sort it out. ;)
  8. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    50% of ACL and one would presume scope to influence its future direction and growth, the rent & charges, and access to income streams from that business.
  9. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Was that ever established? I thought the formula price was actually around £6.5m. Regardless, it looks like Higgs were prepared to accept £5m, but not on SISU's delayed payments terms. It's a pity SISU didn't start negotiating about it from the off in 2007, imho, instead of gambling on...
  10. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Spot on. Couldn't agree more. Fwiw, I do get a sense that fans (including myself here) are beginning to see this now.
  11. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Hi Lord, Count here. ;) I think it's pretty well established that there was always the option for CCFC Ltd to buy the Higgs share at a formula price. For whatever reason, SISU chose not to exercise the option... (Please don't make me google it though, I'm knackered. For once, just trust me...
  12. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    I'm not convinced it was doomed to fail - isn't this the nature of every commercial landlord/tenant relationship. One side wants to pay as little as possible, the other side wants to charge as much as possible. Neither side, typically, wants to break the other though. As an aside, this...
  13. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Anyway Rob, what was your impression* of the court case? It didn't sound like the judge was entirely convinced, but then I'm not there. *I'm sorry I don't do impressions, my training is in Psychiatry. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4MaUIk0Thc
  14. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    I'd largely agree with this, for what it's worth - but I think the obvious and first thing to do is to come back to the Ricoh on a short-term rent deal whilst the longer and far trickier issue of ownership is thrashed out. For SISU to say that they can't do that because they don't trust the...
  15. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    In truth though Rob, there was never any pressure from your campaign on SISU to talk about a rent deal, was there? You focused solely on the council, from what I saw. And indeed it seemed to fail to recognise that whilst the very court case which you are watching now was threatened, it would...
  16. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    But he did say that the trustees weren't involved in a conspiracy, didn't he, which shot down a fair part of SISU's case. It also leaves it a bit light on the conspiracy argument, leaving ACL as the only other possible party, who of course are 50% council-owned. And again, there's no way to...
  17. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Just because the Judge appears to be being harsh to the SISU QC, I wouldn't take bets on the outcome of the case yet. It's just as likely he'll tear apart any flaws he sees in the Council QC's argument. I sense it's just what Judges like to do. ;)
  18. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Yep, that's fair enough - although again, I can't see where the evidence is that there was a deal to shoot down, given there was clearly no agreement on price or more clearly how it was to be paid. Regardless, you've got to accept the judge's take on this, given. As for negotiation on all...
  19. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Quite. If the rent's paid, or even a lower rent agreed (as was, supposedly, being negotiated), then there's simply no way to replace SISU as owners unless they chose to sell. You can't force someone into selling the club, even via admin, unless they refuse to pay their bills.
  20. duffer

    Judicial Review thread

    Erm... at what point did the council veto the deal? What I took from the Higgs case transcripts is that the deal fell apart because SISU offered £5m on buy-now, pay-later terms without any security that Higgs could accept. I didn't see any evidence of the Council shooting down the deal, in...
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