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  1. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    All perfectly reasonable Steve, but the problem is that the NHS is already at breaking point, and possibly beyond it. Data on this is much harder to find, but I know personally of two seperate incidents where people with breathing difficulties have either waited for an ambulance for over six...
  2. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    The problem is that if you let it rip now, and then in a few weeks time it turns out that for even a small proportion of those infected it's serious, then that small proportion will be a very large number. By then of course, it's too late to do anything. Here's the key point again, as made by...
  3. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Fair enough, if that's what you think is being said. What's the lie that's currently being pushed, would you say?
  4. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    When I had it, symptomatically, I had two negative LFTs and one positive, on consecutive days of feeling like death. PCR was positive.
  5. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Given even with a booster it's likely there will be a breakthrough in a significant percentage, it will hit the old too. The point of vaccinating/boosting everyone is to slow the spread. Even if only a very small percentage of young people are affected, it's still going to be potentially a...
  6. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Indeed, and SAGE, of course, are the scientists modelling the numbers and recommending the current course of action.
  7. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Yes, but again, that's one study on a small sample of young adults. And the numbers here are potentially very concerning. If it's really doubling every two days then within six weeks the numbers infected will be enormous. Even if those impacted severely by the new variant are proportionally...
  8. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Same logic Nick, surely. More vaccinated people in the population to catch and spread it. But unless there's anything I've missed, the chances of both catching and spreading the infection are reduced by vaccination and further reduced by boosters. I won't spend all day on this today, but...
  9. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Which is an entirely fair point, but we're obviously not the only country that is worried about it. Not trusting politicians is one thing and I'd heartily recommend that. There is a fair bit of science that suggests that it isn't just something Boris has conveniently made up though (again).
  10. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Whoa there, I'm not sure the logic for this quite holds up. There are likely to be more vaccinated people with Omicron than non-vaccinated people, because there are significantly more people who've had the vaccination. It also seems that the variant is far more effective at breaking through...
  11. duffer

    Transfer Rumour Maatsen to Barca

    From memory, I don't even think they've finished theirs yet. So that seals it then. 😁
  12. duffer

    Transfer Rumour Maatsen to Barca

    No way he'd leave us for Barcelona. Other than the money, the climate, European football, and the glory, what have they got that we haven't. 🙂
  13. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Ah, a little from column a, and a little from column b. 🙂 Without being rude, I can't see any real reason to not have the booster. The science seems to suggest that even in the double vaxxed, the new variant can get through. To maximise your chances of avoiding catching it, or perhaps more...
  14. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Possibly, Nick, possibly. It's just as a society I think we're going to come out of this quicker if we can get over the vaccination resistance. I'll leave it there mate, honest! No offence intended, as you know.
  15. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    I don't know Nick, but we know that if everyone who could get the booster gets it, then immunity increases for everyone and therefore the risk of transmission and the load on the NHS is lower. So, fancy answering the question mate, what's the problem with getting the booster?
  16. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    The correct answer is, you do both. The booster reduces your risk of catching and spreading it. LFTs aren't entirely reliable. What's the issue with having the booster?
  17. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    What are you waiting to see, exactly? Do you think the booster represents some kind of risk to you?
  18. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    OK, just on this one specifically then. Getting the booster means you're at less risk of catching Covid, and less risk of spreading it. Less spread means less people for the NHS to need to treat. That means the NHS can focus on other things as well as Covid, like cancer. Are you selfish...
  19. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    Politely disagree. If people are saying that there's no need to get vaccinated, or worse, that vaccinations are dangerous (without representing the actual risks), then by definition they're anti-vaxxers and they are dangerous. The science does not support them and they represent a genuine risk...
  20. duffer

    Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

    And on that I'll stop digging at Nick because I'm starting to feel like a WUM, and actually I quite like him though clearly we differ on this. I like the fact that there are differing opinions here, but I genuinely worry that people take twitter and Facebook as gospel, especially if they're...
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