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Are you serious. Firstly, in terms of "threats to humanity", Islamic terrorism doesn't even come close. Do you seriously believe that Muslims, all Muslims everywhere, are terrorists or support terrorism? That they want to kill you for not being Muslim? Come off it mate, that's as daft and...

I'd love that but this won't be over any time soon, imho. Whether it genuinely is or not, it suits the far right in Israel to class this as a perpetual, existential war on terror. Similarly, Hamas and their ilk will use Israel's excesses in response as their justification for further hideous...

OK then, so with apologies for nagging away, we've moved from panicked reply back to what Starmer says doesn't matter. If what he says doesn't matter, then it's a bit rich asking for credit for him saying it, which is where this started. My point remains, everything Starmer says is based on...

"A panicked reply"? That's a poor justification, if Starmer didn't know he was going to get asked about the situation he's an idiot. Is he an idiot, would you say? I'll help you. He's not. It was obvious he'd get asked about Israel, he wasn't ambushed. So. The reason he's moved to this...

Sky News did a good analysis. In essence it's like asking the population of Birmingham to all move into Dudley. They'd have to walk, obviously, through narrow streets, already congested by rubble. Direct quote from Sky: "The area also contains 11 hospitals, three United Nations's compounds and...

I hear they've got Max Power lined up to play alongside him.

Indeed, and in fairness some more of those Palestinian children will soon be dying slow, agonising deaths from secondary infections and suchlike because of the absence of power and medical supplies. It's hideous and immoral and ultimately maybe even self-destructive. It's the best ever...

You must be thinking of mathematics... Pythagoras 500BC ish. Still kind of applies. Euclid, the father of geometry, 200 years later. Physics, maybe? Archimedes; a ton of stuff including displacement, calculus (iirc), and good at screwing too. :) If you want to get to the moon and back, then...

In theory, prosecution and punishment for the people committing the crimes. From soldiers on the ground to the people giving the orders. In theory.

That's not quite true is it. Israel isn't under an existential threat from anyone these days, it's got an effective military (supported by the US) and is a nuclear power. Which Arab nation, other than Iran, has come out in support of Hamas and their aims? I haven't googled it, so this isn't a...

Interesting read here on the rules of war, and how both sides, as if we didn't know it already, breach the Geneva convention etc.. It is unremittingly bleak. I absolutely understand why Israel wants retribution against Hamas, who wouldn't, but at what point do their allies say, "no, too far"...

You don't have to be on the side of the terrorists to express reasonable concern about how Israel reacts, specifically in regard to the siege and cutting water and power. The EU have done it, representatives of the UN have done it. All quite reasonably stated, so it's quite possible to support...

If you don't care then why are you responding? Why was it posted in the first place? Of course people care what he thinks, and given it relates to the conflict it seems fair game for the thread. Feel free to ignore it if choose, but it's not your or my place to be telling people they can't...

Right.... what Starmer says on this isn't important. So, is it important what he says on anything else or not, because I'm not quite clear now whether we should listen to him or not? Perhaps you and David could separate out his "important" statements that we should listen to, from the ones...

Hmm. I think discussing what our politicians are saying about the situation is fair enough, and politely, I don't think it's down to you to decide to shut down the debate. If you don't want to take part, fair enough - other threads are available.

He's the leader of the Labour party and probably our next Prime Minister. I think what he says on this issue is pretty important. It gives a fair indication of how his government will behave. If you're interested in politics, on who to vote for, and on where the UK will stand on the world...

I'm not sure if he really believes it, or if he's just saying it because he's terrified of how the right wing press will play it if he dares to criticise Israel. This is the problem with having a leader who is so scared of the Daily Mail that he'll say anything to try to keep them onside.

Me too. I was hoping for a discussion on what model of Cortina Billy Bremner drove, and a heated exchange regarding "You are the Ref". 😁

Traditionally Panama, isn't it, quite pretty too... The way this is going though, I'm flying a white flag personally, and getting the fuck out of here...