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I don't think this is the case. People just cba anymore, that's why they don't go, not all because of SISU, those boycotters won't be in a hurry to return when SISU leave. SISU clearly do have an interest in the playing squad - there's no evidence they don't - hence they signed 20 players...

I think you find it would, that's why very basic stadiums like Huish Park, Gresty Road etc. allow those clubs to be self sustainable. A basic 20-25k stadium would make us very sustainable. It doesn't matter that the RICOH has all these facilities, we don't benefit from them so that argument...

When the mortgage does get paid off, it's all plain sailing - hence I say it's better in the long term. No, where does it say anything about renting this new HR2!? Anyway, that wasn't the given scenario, the scenario was owning your stadium or renting it.

Our best players were frees last season - Moussa, Murphy, Clarke, McG (if loans count as a free), Bailey (1st half), Adams, Fleck, Jennings. Just because you spend money on a player, doesn't mean he's going to be better than a freebie, for example, Eastwood, Barton.

It's one of those, we'll wait and see, but if that's all we can muster, then we should be ashamed of ourselves because that'd be absolutely embarrassing!

I'm sorry but we're not going to be playing in Walsall or Nene Park! If you believe that it's no wonder there are many gullible people on here! Nene Park is used by people (largely by 'anti-SISU posters) to scaremonger, moving there has no economic viability because crowds would be about...

What maths when there aren't any figures to add up?! If the club has lost c. 10m in renting the RICOH already, in less than 10 years, how is that sustainable? That's 10m we would've saved had we owned our stadium. Owning or renting! Owning is more economically viable in the long term -...

I'm the fool? If you rent a stadium, you're always paying, not as much as building a stadium, in the short term, but over time, there's a break even point when you build a stadium and from then, you start making money, of course, when you rent, you don't get that. Or am I missing...

Why's it relevant? SISU or anyone weren't in a position to build anything in the first place. :facepalm: We had a stadium, we have a training ground, what else could we build?

Can you read? I've made quite explicit that I don't want to leave the RICOH but, owning a stadium is better than leasing one. Do the maths.

Exactly, so all this criticism is all OTT.

Where are you going with this? Because what would SISU, or anyone for that matter, would've had to build anything? If you mean a squad? We built a squad that was decent (Gunnar, Fox, Dann, Eastwood, Clingan, Turner, Best, Hendo team) under Coleman and this team at the minute is a top 10 L1...

But if Fisher doesn't have the authority to broker a deal with ACL is it not irrelevant whether Fisher wants to leave the RICOH or not? So when ACL say we're welcome to play at the RICOH is that not an empty statement because if they can't/won't speak to SISU/Cov Holdings anyway? If CCFC...

Also, may I add, I don't think the stadium, if actually built, wold be 15k, It would have to be 20k at a minimum it can't and won't be under HR's attendance and if SISU had any intention of moving up the FL ladder, 15k would be too small.

Mr Musicman, do you happen to be the guy they talk about in The King Blues song 'Mr. Musicman'? ;)

Good points, but, not relevant to my point because it would be a home you intend to keep for the your life, not what you'd develop before selling.

How do we economically benefit from the RICOH whilst renting (purely renting it, nothing else) it? Then, how would would that outweigh owning your own stadium (assuming we own 100%)?

I wish I knew that! It's hands down my most boring subject as well :mad:

Tried doing that for Spurs away, it was a disaster.

Where did I say I followed it? I just said it's more economically viable than renting... I never said its more viable than buying a share in ACL, then maybe 100% one day in my lifetime off a stadium that is a goldmine (that's why rich people have considered investing in us, same for SISU as...