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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Don’t conflate influence and power. The DUP would have ‘power’ if it held Government posts in cabinet, which it doesn’t. As the Lib Dem’s did in 2010 when they entered into a formal coalition with the Tories. They have influence, which was bought and paid for, but no obligations to back the...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Rees-Mogg also said the PM should go to Buckingham Palace and tender her reisgnation to the Queen in the immediate aftermath of the Tory vote of no confidence. Even if May won both motions, it still doesn’t change the reality that she faces a crushing defeat when Parliament votes on her deal...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There are two ways a GE can be called under the 2011 Fixed-terml Parliament. First, is if Parliament backs the PMs proposal by two-thirds, (not 75% as stated before you edited your post). Secondly, if the Government loses a vote of no confidence and no alternative government formed in 14 days...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    When a Government loses a vote of no confidence, the Government resigns and/or Parliament is dissolved by the monarch on the advise of the PM. Only in 1742 the PM has resigned after a vote of no confidence. Historical precedence suggests a vote of no confidence almost definitely leads to a GE...
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No, the DUP has influence not power. Big difference. 117 Tory MPs have no confidence Theresa May, so the idea that all of these MPs will remain loyal to her wouldn’t make a lot of sense. There are also Tory MPs who want a second referendum, and may see breaking ranks with the Government the...
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    To say anything has a 'zero chance' of happening is just a silly, silly thing to say. A no-confidence vote v government is unlikely to win before the vote of May's deal, but it's also not far fetched that a handful of Tory MPs may break ranks with the government. The DUP aren't in power at all...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    With their 10 MPs? It’s not too far fetched for Labour to get a few Tory MPs on side, especially with Theresa May seemingly refusing to even consider a second referendum. But, any vote of no confidence should be held off until after the vote on May’s deal. The threat of a Labour government may...
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Let me get this straight, the public doesn't back May's deal, they also seem to have back Brexit anymore (some polls have Remain ahead by 19%), and also seem to favour a second referendum. Yet, a second referendum would be undemocratic? Seems like the majority of the public hasn't accepted the...
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I've got BBC news on, the Government called out Labour for political games and therefore refuse to debate this motion. Interestingly, the editor says this refusal to debate the motion could escalate this issue into a vote of no confidence in not just the PM, but the Government. Interesting...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In fairness, there's not a lot the Opposition can do to be judged by the public, apart from trying to force a GE. To put it into perspective, Labour led the Conservatives in economic management before the 2010 election in the middle of a global recession. Back to Brexit, Labour cannot back May's...
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’re taking that out of context. Polls aren’t the be all and end all, but the current political context means that second referendum should be on the table, the government cannot get its bill through and the UK finds itself in a constitutional crisis. The use of the polls in this sense was...
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Referendum and undemocratic don’t belong in the same sentence. You’ve contradicted yourself. By definition, a second referendum cannot be undemocratic. Not holding one can be though, given that polls suggests the following; public rejects May’s deal, public favours Remain, and finally, is in...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So why is Theresa May dead set against a second referendum and has staked her career on delivering Brexit? It doesn’t sound like someone who is deliberately undermining Brexit. Of course she has to peddle both sides carefully in government, otherwise she wouldn’t be able to get a deal through...
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What point are you trying to make exactly? In the link you posted, it goes to show how non-committal May was. She talks of risks, but you'd expect that from any sensible politician with sound judgement. Compare what May said compared to Osborne saying Brexit would make UK 'permanently poorer'...
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    She was a Remainer, there’s no denying that. But, she wasn’t an enthusiastic on the campaign trail at all. She played the field in case the country voted to Leave — given what’s happened, this is self-evident. As I say, she’s staked her legacy as a PM on delivering Brexit. She’s committed to...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Theresa May has staked her legacy as PM on this Brexit deal, she's had to essentially promise to step down after Brexit is finalised to cling on to power, desperately. She was never an enthusiastic Remainer and was pretty non-committal during the referendum. She wouldn't have become PM had she...
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    Robins feeling the pressure?

    Time to wake up.
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    This hasn’t been engineered. It’s the country’s politicians coming to terms that negotiating a favourable deal isn’t as easy as we were told by the Leave campaign. Fox told us an EU-UK trade deal would be the ‘easiest trade deal to negotiate in history’ and we were told we could negotiate FTAs...
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. The Tories are at least 127 votes short of a majority in the Commons based on the 117 MPs that have no confidence in May and the 10 DUP MPs that won’t support the deal. Now, that number could even be higher since May more or less had to promise to not...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    Chaplin question?

    Bakayoko seemed to get injured at an unlucky time, just when Robins was going to experiment with those two upfront. Chaplin is a long term investment, how many times have Cov fans bemoaned the lack of long term investment? All the time. We sign someone in the early stages of their career and we...
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