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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Thatcher wouldn’t have negotiated a better deal because she wouldn’t have campaigned to Leave. She campaigned to join the EC in 1975. Stop trying to change the history books. Margaret Thatcher would not have supported Brexit, says top aide
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s nice. Meanwhile, back in 2018, we’re dealing with Brexit and I’m asking you about Theresa May’s deal.
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’re stuck in the past past now. The EU has said as much during the process of Brexit negotiations. It’s delusional to think Britain won’t have to adhere to any EU rules and regulations, not have to pay in to the EU at all yet still have access to the single market. Frankly, you’re in fantasy...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How specifically could this deal be improved? Seems like the only issue you have is with the backstop. The price for access to the single market would mean following EU rules and regulations as well as paying into the EU. Nigel’s Farage was a fan of the Swiss and Norway models, yet, these...
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No, he wouldn’t have done, because it’s an impossible position. Brexit is such a vague concept. One minute, Leavers are proponents of the Norway model (Farage), the next, the ERG suggests May’s deal makes us a ‘vassal state’ and rebels against the PM. May’s deal, for all intents and purpose...
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If you’ve read my previous posts, you’ll know I’m dead set against it. I’ve made that explicitly clear. So, what I’m asking is, what don’t you like about May’s deal and how do you think it can be improved? Since our reasons for mutually disliking it must be different. Answering my questions...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    For sure, there will still be nominal negotiations, but for the reasons you state, nothing substantive will be agreed. We really are in the weaker position at the negotiating table, hence the deal put forward looks something akin to us remaining in all but name. The prospect of a ‘no deal’...
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Given the amount I’ve quoted that famous Remainer Jacob Rees-Mogg, I doubt I’m buying anyone’s propaganda. I’ve reviewed the evidence as I see it, and consider it better to Remain in the EU — I don’t consider myself a Europhile at all. With all due respect, there are some somewhat reasonable...
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Don’t deflect. You have issues with it, what are they?
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Vague. What don’t you like about the deal specifically? To save me quoting your other post, completely different contexts. Leaving the European Union without a deal will cause immense economic disruption. Government projections have a ‘no deal’ scenario being an economic catastrophe, losing...
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In your opinion, how could it be better? I’ve been pretty clear that I think this is a bad deal. This is because I agree with the premise that this deal, in its current form, makes us a vassal of the EU. Therefore, I agree it’s better to remain a full member than a ‘vassal state’ — a view held...
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We’re not negotiating on a Brexit deal though, so people aren’t undermining a negotiation. A deal was ready to be tabled to Parliament, but was deferred because it was going to get defeated heavily. The PM’s own party calls a vote of no confidence in her, she won that, and tried to get...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In fairness, I can't see another outcome of Brexit than a Norway-style deal or a 'no deal' Brexit. The former option relegates our status to that of a vassal state to the EU and the latter is a chaotic mess that no one voted for. The EU's price for access into the Single Market is adherence to...
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Every Tory you say? It's clear that a no deal Brexit is a red line issue for Tory MPs who support Remain. Boles and Soubry are senior MPs and seem to be mobilising other Tory MPs to vote against the Government in the event the Government loses its Parliamentary vote and a no deal Brexit seems...
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The current motion is against the PM, not Government. Personally, it's I think it's political posturing which won't lead to anything because the Tories will not want to look divided to the public and the implication of this motion winning is a process that leads to changing the PM. Hence, the...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I respectfully disagree. Too many MPs who are Remainers, from all the parties to allow that to happen without a fight. But, we'll have to wait and see.
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So what happens when the Brexit deal gets voted down? Which, as it stands, will lose heavily.
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So tell me, what happens when they vote down May’s deal? Which they’ve stated they will oppose.
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No it’s not. Every Government who’s lost a vote of no confidence since 1742 has resigned and a new government is appointed/elected. Every single time. Rees-Mogg May have made a humiliating U-turn, but he’s right that the government cannot continue if it loses the confidence of Parliament. Just...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I stated that the opposition would lose a vote of no confidence before the vote was held on May’s deal. You do no not know the voting intention of every MP on either side of the aisle so you’re making a baseless claim. Nope, it’s from the Parliament website, actually. Which lays out the key...
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