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Well it’s not going to go away if we accept the premise that a good atmosphere isn’t possible without it, no. And why are we beholden to the “traditional game”? What other aspects have been lost that you regret?

You suggested that without the rowdiness and the “edge” we’d just be sat in a quiet bowl? That seems to imply they go hand in hand? It’s not that I don’t want a good atmosphere, or even some “edge”. But to my mind it should be a family friendly experience. Why on Earth wouldn’t it be?

Yeah. There are huge demographics that are almost completely excluded from live football (except perhaps at the highest level, as you point out). It’s money on the table that could be invested. Of course, there are plenty of other reasons, besides financial, for violence not to be condoned or...

Plenty of people enjoy the atmosphere and add to it without feeling the need to be violent as well. I don’t accept the premise the two go hand in hand.

More than that what does it mean in terms of lost revenue? A large portion of the population would never even consider attending a football match yet they wouldn’t have any reservation about attending most sporting events. If we want to significantly increase attendance football needs to truly...

Furthermore, we’re having this conversation during a period of time where posters are regularly complaining about a lack of investment in the squad. It staggers me that there’s any tolerance for this kind of behaviour.

It’s not really conducive to a family atmosphere is it? Has a really negative effect on image and puts a lot of people off.

Goddens was certainly more theatrical

I do think the battling adversity narrative gets everyone in their side. All the pundits fall over themselves rooting for them.

You knew they would be a pen. Their game plan has been work the ball into the box then fall over, looking for it all game.

That can’t be right. Hasn’t the narrative on here been that we will finish on the same points as last season?

Anyone else abroad and can’t get their video match pass working?

He’s been great this season but did wonder if, with Rose playing every other game recently, they are blooding him while resting Fadz a bit.

And when Ched Evans argued about going off using the side of the pitch he was closest to and then strolling off, ref was pointing at his watch telling him he was adding it on.

Saved us a few times being so quick off his line.

From what I recall he only had one touch? It was a bit frustrating that he had clearly come on to run into balls over the top but then players seemed reluctant to release any for him to chase. I guess it’s against the ethos of how we play which is generally to patiently build but then Gyro had...

Do you know what, I saw the torrential rain in the morning and I thought I’ll bet they’ll still water the pitch.

I don’t suppose we’ve got any hope of getting Swift post season, think his contract is up.

Watching the replays last night a defender went to clear it and sliced it but got some contact I think.

Sheaf I think, everyone started groaning when the ball went back to him then he played it in.