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  1. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We dropped all the cards. Not that we were ever holding them all in the first place.
  2. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think it would suit Starmer if the Tories got this sorted so it’s one less thing he’d potentially have to deal with if he won the next general election. Even if that means lending them votes. Also makes Sunak look weak in plain sight as an added bonus for Starmer.
  3. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Braverman has been briefing against Sunak and his attempts to renegotiate the protocol, DUP not playing ball, ERG not playing ball and releasing the details of the renegotiation are now being delayed. Looking dead in the water even if the DUP do accept it unless Labour vote it through for Sunak...
  4. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Hold on. Are you suggesting our slump was down to more than covid meaning we’ve recovered from covid like the rest of the world but the other thing is still holding us back?
  5. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The answer is really simple. We’re the only country in history to ever impose sanctions on ourselves. And we are world beating at it. The sanctions are so effective they’re doing more damage to our economy than the sanctions the western world has put on Russia has done to Russias economy. Yet...
  6. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I said get an Irish passport and working in the EU isn’t an issue. No part of that statement is incorrect.
  7. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’re being disingenuous again. Half the public didn’t vote out, not even half of eligible voters did. You’re also admitting I’m right. The EU didn’t morph into a “monster”. Maggies final manifesto even bragged about how we’d changed the EU. John Majors manifesto where he brags about signing...
  8. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The fact is every government since we joined won a GE based on a manifesto including closer ties with the EU. Most, including Margaret Thatchers used them exact works. It’s very disingenuous to say it morphed into something we didn’t join when we repeatedly voted in governments who not only...
  9. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think we all know at least one “We’ve” had enough of experts” types.
  10. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I can. The press did their job well jumping on the back of a world recession using anger at that to sell a lie. What I can’t understand is why people are still clinging to the BS and holding onto gaslighting things that could have happened anyway. Such as the vaccine rollout, blue passports and...
  11. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So you’re saying people understood it was a stupid idea but voted leave anyway to teach those that said it was stupid a lesson?
  12. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    A valid point
  13. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    DUP setting the stage https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64703436
  14. skybluetony176

    Do you want to discuss boring politics?

    There is something to that, I’ll certainly acknowledge that. I still can’t see him ever lying on the scale of Boris though or anywhere near. Boris does it in every aspect of his life, everyone “exaggerates” at a job interview.
  15. skybluetony176

    Do you want to discuss boring politics?

    There’s a very real danger of false equivalency driven by the right wing press. Look at beergate. The effort that went into making out Starmer having a beer at a meeting in a stage whatever it was in the end lockdown was the same as Boris having numerous parties in full lockdown. I still hear...
  16. skybluetony176

    Do you want to discuss boring politics?

    He’s not lying at the dispatch box though. Changing policy and breaking promises sure, he’s done that. But Boris stood up at PMQ’s week after week telling bare faced lies on everything from his personal behaviour to building new hospitals to the vaccine rollout. Fair enough Starmer isn’t yet in...
  17. skybluetony176

    Do you want to discuss boring politics?

    I agree with that but Boris levels of lying? He’d have to have been thoroughly dishonest in all aspects of his life before being a politician to reach those levels and there’s no evidence of that. He’s a politician and they all have an uncomfortable relationship with being honest. Corbyn...
  18. skybluetony176

    USSR invades Ukraine.

    Bizarre even.
  19. skybluetony176

    USSR invades Ukraine.

    I was agreeing with PVA who was responding to a specific comment your mate made, and I quote “I’m not seeing much reward from a cost benefit perspective”. If you have an issue with talking about the war in those terms I suggest you take up with your mate not me. Who is now finding his own...
  20. skybluetony176

    USSR invades Ukraine.

    I think I read/heard somewhere that the US has spent the equivalent of 2 months of their annual military budget supporting Ukraine so far. Ukraine has made Russia military might look second rate thanks in part to that support and not a single American soldier has lost their life. Think of the...
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