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This is the thing. Apathy towards the club has hit the die hards. Or the idiots that band CCFC and SISU together - evil CCFC, well done council, hello wasps.

Oh my god yeah, it's only 3 months till the start of the season and 6 weeks till the transfer window opens!

Mowbray's not adverse to a bit of grit and steel in his sides - Paul Robinson anyone! Hate that guy!

Ahh, you see, always get the context first!!

Please read my first post! Doyle is not the answer, I've either said that or inferred it. I wouldn't like him back. But I trust Mowbray. This is all fan conjecture, but if TM fancied him back here, I wouldn't argue.

I didn't compare them to him! Don't get stuck up on the examples, they were just there to show that some players are judged to be passed it.

I get what you mean, and with Doyle I'd agree! However, it doesn't always work like that. Look at Pirlo for Juve who was deemed past it at Milan and also, bit closer to home, Lampard, who showed he could still cut it. Different class of player, obviously, but sometimes it's about a player...

Talks started 2 days after the season finished. I'm sorry, but Mowbray said no negotiations till after the season finished. If you want to keep working yourself up with personal hypotheses keep going.

Riiiight, you know, take one situation and then use your own context. I think you knew what I meant.

If they didn't know what he was asking for how could they know?!

That doesn't sound like a small detail though, which is what Andy Turner has said. Could be, but I doubt it at this stage.

He's been working for them for the last 3 months. These blinkered, subjective views are tiring. I'd be the first to criticise the owners if something went wrong. But people are getting hysterical because it's taking a bit of time, where, it seems, Mowbray is actually calling the shots.

Apart from it's Mowbray's representatives going over the fine detail, which is "virtually done".

Torchy????

Oh come on, this is ridiculous. Post in one of the other ten dozen threads about Mowbray.

This is going well then...

Yeah? How many multiple contract/company renovations have you been involved in then?