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It soooooo wasn't Otis!

Lets cut through all this bullshit once and for all... Hundreds of Thousands of people go through all the same processes and practice you describe and yet some fail and a few excel, the difference is the bit you cannot possibly explain. Stop being silly.

Gosh you learned a lot at Uni right? Good luck with applying it to life.

Did this joke on page 1 wingy!

If you want to believe there are no geniuses, you go ahead. He was simply better than everyone else and didn't need to put the hours in.

I think there was a bit more to him than that Astute.

John MacEnroe in his pomp rarely practiced and was not particularly fit. A perfect example of the triumph of talent over endevour.

No you have not shown facts, only inherited opinions. Lazy in the accepted sense of the term - less willing than others to put in effort. If i gave you 100 newborns and you let them eat, sleep and drink football from age zero you should be able to produce a Messi according to your view...

I have not attempted to argue against it but will if you like. I certainly would not argue that early age exposure and practice/repetition are not massive factors, of course they are. But you seem to dismiss all the natural dispositions and physiological inclinations that might lend themselves...

No offence intended but you are nowhere near as intelligent or informed as you are trying to appear.

Please go ahead and provide this evidence, I can't wait. And 'No footballer is lazy' ? You are, without a shadow of a doubt, shitting me!

Bit of a Space cadet. Should be Frog marched to a new club.

I have news... the nature/nurture debate runs a lot deeper than this.

Neither Martin or Swanson appear in this section but Johnson and Tudgay do even though they have yet to sign, nothing on Stokes though. And George Thomas is listed as a midfielder. It can't be that hard to get this stuff right surely? Or am I being a bit OCD?

Tough start - 2 relegated teams and then a bogey team!

Thanks for that Dion but it will take a lot more than a a cup run to sort this club out.

I think too much is made of players 'belonging' to the club. Nearly all permanent signings we get in will have no affinity with the club or the region and our club will be just the next in a line of employers. At least a young loan might have a point to prove.

That's a coincidence, so do I. I tell people what I want them to know and miss out the other bits. It's like a converationy/communicationy type thing.

Yes it is the same for all. Unless you decide to ignore the loan market altogether, get in the best you can and work with that group right through the preseason.

Hard to judge? Everyone else seems to be coping. :whistle: