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Again though, playing devil's advocate... If he is found not guilty on appeal, he is no longer a criminal and she is no longer (legally) a victim of crime. Would it not follow that his refusal to apologise for a crime he did not commit would be vindicated? Are you saying that if he is found...

Did I say it was?

Just to play devil's advocate though... If he was, after all, innocent, she would cease to be a victim and his treatment of her following the 'event' might seem more understandable?

I wouldn't mind a team of players Chelsea don't rate.

Me too, right behind the goal in the West End. Some game.

For all we know SISU may well be asking TM to hurry up and get someone in for that reason.

This was my thinking. He will only get so far on name and reputation but when you only have poor wages and L1 footy to offer...

Well that's a relief... can we have our geniuses back now?

By any measure it simply isn't true. I think what we are dealing with here is an idealist and idealism, sweet as it is, can fly in the face of the facts.

SISU out! Yay, they've gone! Oh shit!

Good luck responding to this one Trench. :whistle:

No it's just practice right? As I say... Hogwash.

What the guy is essentially saying is that if you had replaced Lionel Messi at birth with any individual with identical physical composition he would have become the best footballer in the world. It's hogwash. It's like suggesting that anyone with identical life experience, hand to eye...

You talk utter shit.

Nor yours clearly.

I assume TM has had the assurances he asked for as he is still here. Could we please let them all get on with it?

You didn't. Just asking!

Hand-jobs and beer?

As do I. I find it really difficult when people separate their loyalty to the club from their loyalty to the city, for me the two are synonymous.