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  1. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    They wouldn’t have paid it if they didn’t have to. ACL was sold with the debt.
  2. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    We’re not talking about the bond. We’re talking about the £14m that ACL owed to CCC
  3. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    That clearing the debt in ACL increased its value
  4. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    Right do to clarify how you think things happened: 2013 - CCC loan ACL £14m to pay off Yorkshire Bank. Loan to be repaid to CCC over 50 years. 2014 - Wasps buy ACL, but have no responsibility for ACL debt. However Wasps decide to take on that debt anyway. Why on Earth would Wasps take on...
  5. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    But they still would’ve been paying it, just over a longer period. And it was still a debt that existed
  6. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    The debt was part of the purchase. The deal was Wasps pay the £6m, and then repay to the council the £14m loan over the agreed time period.
  7. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    You said there was no debt, and said I was talking nonsense for suggesting there was. Yet there blatantly was debt
  8. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    So Wasps gave the council £14m out of the goodness of its heart? https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/wasps-rfc-pay-134million-ricoh-9248558.amp
  9. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    ACL was £20m in debt to the council. If you recall the council bailed out ACL in 2013 when it couldn’t repay its debt to Yorkshire Bank.
  10. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    Well let’s go along with that for a minute then. Fisher said he wouldn’t have bought the ground on those terms. So he wanted to pay less than £6m for it??
  11. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    They used the loan to clear the debt
  12. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    That’s like saying you can buy a house for £10k Yes you’ll have £200k mortgage, but you’ve bought a house with £10k
  13. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    You’re not including the debt in that
  14. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    Wasps didn’t pay £6.5m If they did they would still exist now!
  15. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    So presumably Frasers underpaid as well?
  16. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    The fact that it basically destroyed Wasps suggests they didn’t underpay
  17. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    So Fishers initial comments were wrong then?
  18. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    Yeah but that is where Fisher made a tit of himself. When Wasps bought the ground he said like a sulky child that he wouldn’t want the ground under those terms. Next minute he’s claiming Wasps underpaid. Both those statements couldn’t be correct
  19. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    When taking on a public body like the council, the key is to get the public on side. Sisu however decided to piss off the public first, and then try and take on the council. How that hedge fund stays in business is beyond me. They clearly have no idea how basic human psychology works.
  20. bigfatronssba

    The Ground Deal

    We’re probably paying more than £1.2m now anyway and if we hadn’t bust ACL then there never would’ve been a Wasps or Frasers.
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