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Leave lies deliberately ignored alternatives to Brexit to e.g. control free movement abuse. Introduce ID cards to control immigration instead of leaving the EU, report says

The culture secretary said the EU referendum was binding – it wasn’t

There was a professional campaign on social media and a continuation of the Brexitpress campaign. They promised several versions of leave to appeal to everyone. I don’t think leavers are thick bumpkins, although some are ( just go on Twitter, there are plenty around ), but reading some comments...

So do you.

And Brexit had credibility through the people leading the Brexit side at the last referendum? More to come on foreign dark money.

There was no actual need. Maybe if there was a „Maastricht“ type event, you could argue for a referendum. I wouldn’t as we have a Parliament for such decisions. But there was no event. We now do have an event which was caused by a referendum. The only way out of this disaster is to ask the...

Yes, couldn’t even get a parliamentary mandate by calling an election. She lost her majority after calling for a strong mandate for Brexit. There is no will of the people. There are 2 wills of the people. Half want to stay, half want to go. How can you take a tough negotiating stance based on that?

There was no actual event which even warranted a decision. The EU was plodding along as normal. The advent of social media magnified the voice of fringe groups like UKIP. Farage admits that. 2008 started him getting recognition through YouTube. His public slagging off of the first EU parliament...

We don’t do plebiscites normally. The reason being that they areceasy to manipulate through populists. This referendum was a joke and because it was so close, and the result is a mess, we have split the country for years to come. Whatever happens.

As I have said before, I don’t have to live with the consequences. I have taken out EU citizenship through Germany. That was how I dealt with any potential EU border delays because of passport checks or whatever. People in the UK cannot get another passport or shouldn’t have to try and avoid the...

No. Of course not. That is not what is happening here. The government cannot extract us without causing damage. This a totally different scenario to what was promised. THey have had 2.5 years and it’s looking bad. If we had remained and a major disaster in the EU meant that if we stayed we...

More chance of a United Ireland than the EU being doomed....

The point being if they wanted to enforce the result, why go for an advisory referendum in the first place? The rules are apparently not as strict and there was no threshold. A majority of 1 vote could have changed the future of the country. The country is now split. The government wasn’t able...

With a general election you can kick them out at the end of their term. Plebiscites are different which is why it should not have been advisory. It should have been carried out as binding with a threshold. Then it would have been subject to stricter controls.

This is a democracy deficit with FPTP voting. In a PR Voting country you would have parties with alternative programs. In the UK you have the two main parties backing some form of Brexit in their manifestos. There is no opposition party to Brexit ( apart from Libs, but they have little chance of...

True. But not just the UK. Many countries in the EU are dealing with a refugee crisis. Strange when people on here say that the EU is evil.

That’s true, which why leaving is turning out differently to as it was sold.

Well, funny you should mention Trump... New Evidence Emerges of Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica’s Role in Brexit

How did that end? Most powerful and richest nation on earth? Although deeply flawed by social injustice of course.

Except they are more into slagging the EU off as being either communist or fascist and cannot point to known benefits of leaving. They are really angry that people are not impressed with the mess they created and that many people want to pull the plug on the whole thing.