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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Give it time..
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Finality is not the language of poilitics. Not Mad Mart tin foil mentality, before you go to your normal insults. Benjamin Disraeli. It is also true as with the Welsh devolution issue. At first drastically rejected by the voters in the 70s and then passed in the 90s. The worse this gets, the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Are you arguing that parliament is sovereign? I thought leavers believe that we are not a sovereign nation, with a sovereign parliament. Funny that when it suits, our parliament becomes sovereign again. And if referenda are only advisory, as in this case, there is no legal requirement to either...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Seeing as there is already a law that you cannot give more power to the EU without a further referendum, there is now an argument that making the UK a vassal state for the transition period, requires a further referendum. Unless you repeal the 2011 act. Why a second Brexit referendum is...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Put the Tele on and watch the unfolding disaster. We don’t have a government at the moment. The DUP are not playing ball any more.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We had one for PR.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    His, Mogg‘s, organisation, ERG, receives funds from the USA. He has met up with Bannon who is impressed with him. He is a partner/ director of a 9 bn hedge fund heavily invested in emerging markets and not much in post Brexit Britain. He has plenty of motivation to see other countries doing well...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The government put a leaflet out to say that if the country voted for leave it would end up in a disaster. The people voted for leave and it has ended in a disaster. The government was right overall, but not in the details. Pull the plug and put it back to the people.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You also forget that being an advisory referendum it was not subject to the same rules as a binding referendum. This has an effect on what can be done about the cheating by leave.eu. More to come. You also forget that the election was not primarily about Brexit and that the parties had a much...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    People are still thinking that if there is a no deal situation.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Look at the date in your first link. 1. it’s the Telegraph and 2. he has changed his mind from Remain to don’t know. He can change it back of course. He certainly isn’t a committed remainer.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No one is denying that the public was misled. That is the main argument for a people‘s vote. Glad that we agree on this.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    He just he doesn’t know which way he would vote now. FFS. He is covering all possibilities.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Posting to every home the same message is not targeting. Targeting is sending the message that pushes the button of someone you know to be undecided or to who fits a category which could be influenced using information harvested from social media. Leaflets are not read by every recipient. As the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The study refers to specific sub groups. Mainly ones not exposed to other forms of information. The targeting by leave was aimed at people who used social media to form their opinions - consciously or subconsciously.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is not targeting. The leave.eu social media campaign targeted people they could influence. They didn’t bother with ones they knew had already made up their minds. Sending everyone a leaflet would get the undecided as well, but it was before the campaign got under way and theses people were...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You can see if someone outstayed the 90 days. You can stop people claiming benefits when they are not entitled to claim them after 90 days. You can control Minimum wage more strictly to stop wage undercutting. I cannot understand objections to providing id to claim benefits. If I wanted to get...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Not true. The advisory leaflet was not micro targeted and was generally counted as unconvincing.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is already out of date. Some of the predictions could well still come true, such as companies leaving the U.K. or taxes being raised. A no deal situation would make that leavers assessment completely obsolete. The Third World War probably won‘t happen, but egoistic nation states destroyed...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What about your „anyone who thinks the democrats did well in the midterms is a moron“....? Democrats got almost as many midterms votes as Trump in presidential election: 'It's a crazy number' People get things wrong.... don’t they? As opposed to downright lying and using Goebels inspired...
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