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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    They have already said that they would back an extension for a people‘s vote. If a people’s vote failed ( for remain), with people being aware that Brexit is not what was promised, I don’t see what you could argue for asking again. The argument that Brexit was built on lies and a fraudulent...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The USA already listed what they want from trade deals. The USA has massive agricultural production for example. I can see the benefits of a trade deal for them. An extra 65 million consumers. What do we intend exporting that we do not export to the USA already? Of course at the end of the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I don’t think so. There was never a plan and there is still no agreement as to how we leave. How could that ever work?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The EU will only extend article 50 if there is a purpose. People‘s vote would get an extension.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You may be right that it will be ugly, but crashing the country and putting ourselves at the mercy of the USA is a worse scenario. Every country now knows that we are a distressed trading partner. Farage‘s bullshit about „our friends speak English“ ended with the comment „utter bollocks“ from...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We will see what happens, but the longer the uncertainty goes on, the worse it will get.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No. People‘s vote is the only way to see what the country now wants. Brexit has floundered.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Not as you describe it and you only quote half the truth. But, I am not going down that rabbit hole either.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I am not going to go down this rabbit hole. CD understood it differently, but, anyway, my latest comment was about the German car industry no where in sight to bully Merkel to give in to UK demands.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Whilst there are concerns, there are also EU elections every 5 years. The EU council is composed of people who stand for elections every few years. The EU doesn’t replace countries own government for law making. Countries are not restricted to minimum standards, but having minimum standards...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What demands? Do you mean consenting to follow the regulatory system which increases our home market to 500 Million people? Bigger than the USA and being the largest trading block in the world? Setting minimum standards for workers, environment and hygiene? I would have thought that was self...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It would have been the same result. 27 countries are not going to follow the demands of one country that is leaving. That was always clear.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Mit Brexit is crashing itself as there was no majority for any specific version of leave. Added together, all possible leave versions gave a 52:48 majority on that day 3 years ago. The promises made to get that majority have been proven be based on lies or false premises. The people who told...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    ;-). I hope we go on a good run. Coming over in April. Hope by then we are in or very near top 6.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    He’s trying to get at me, but somehow brought you into it. You were correcting me in the quote. Which I didn’t dispute, just I think Brexit is one of several factors and not completely off the hook. He didn’t quote my answer to your post for some reason.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I didn’t blame everything on Brexit. I don’t accept that it has nothing to do with Brexit. There is more than one factor. One is over capacity in the motor industry. Another is the problem with diesel. Another is the preparation for electric cars and how soon that will happen. Electric car...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I really think you should explain your logic. Brexit is damaging the UK. I don’t want the UK to be damaged. You claim I really don’t care. I do care and am going to London to Protest against the people doing this to our country. You then say that we are feeding the EU. We aren’t. We pay into...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    IMO a second referendum is the only way out of this disaster. If leave wins again, then god help the UK. Personally, I think it would be the end of the UK.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The damage is caused by Brexit. I posted what others say, e.g. the commonwealth Partners. „utter bollocks“, or no „empire 2.0“. If you still think Brexit is a good idea despite everything collapsing around your head, then fair play, but leave me out of your conspiracy theories. We will be worse...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Seems I am not the only one who wants to give it back to the people: MPs cheer when Theresa May asks if they want another Brexit referendum
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