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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Obviously it isn’t as I have repeatedly said. I want Brexit settled. I don’t want to be saying they were lied to, cheated and the referendum was flawed for eternity. I want a fairer referendum on known facts including the option of no deal and remain. That would be more than one yes/no question...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, I agree, but the anger about immigration does seem more with leavers. The sovereignty part seems more relevant in the UK than here in Germany. Good reasons for that. Also the debate in the UK with hard sell on these issues from people like Farage backed by Banks and the tabloids, has...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I am not afraid of further votes. I want a vote on something we can see and what we know a bit more about. I don’t know whether there will ever be another vote, but I would ask the people now in the knowledge that unless anything substantial and unforeseen happens, there would be at least a...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No we wouldn’t. This is the vote on Brexit. That’s it. No one can claim that we didn’t know what we were voting for after the people’s vote. Hopefully there will be less criminal activity and the campaign will be better regulated. The last vote was not on what we have now on the table. May‘s...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Really? Anything could happen.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    According to Farage it would mean work to be done. So, the answer is no they wouldn’t take it on the chin and forget about it. I don’t get why you are so scared of the people having a vote on the present situation. All polls show remain in front. I would say, compare the Brexit Betrayal march...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Are you joining Farage’s ramblers? Get your walking boots out and show your Brexit commitment. Nige will be in the pub having a drink to you.
  8. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So leave out the majority of voters who now want remain and call it a democratic vote? No mate. That ain’t going to happen.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    He had also told parliament he would rule after the motion was pulled to block another vote on the same thing. No clairvoyance needed. He could have left it later to be a real dick, but he didn’t. The convention was known since 1604, it isn’t really a surprise.
  10. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Not on no deal or May’s deal, or on what we now know about Brexit.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Leavers when asked cited immigration and sovereignty as the two main reasons for voting leave. Wanting less foreigners suggests you don’t like having too many foreigners around. Seeing as leavers also blame foreigners for everything from crime to potholes, lack of affordable housing etc, I get...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We are part of the decision making process of EU law. Other EU countries could use that argument about the UK being involved. It is called pooling sovereignty. The EU doesn’t rule the UK, there is a sovereign parliament. There are foreigners at the UN, other foreigners have signed up with us to...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If the UK leaves there are many who say reforms will be easier for the EU to get through. You keep on about people wanting reforms as if everyone wants the same reforms and an evil body is stopping the reforms. People want different reforms. To get reforms passed you need a majority, or in some...
  14. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    May‘s deal with an amendment that it has to be ratified by the people, against a remain option and a no deal option.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Funnily enough the speaker is following a 400 year tradition of a sovereign parliament. Not surprised at all at the rage of poorly educated/ ill informed leavers. I thought one of the main reasons for leaving , apart from immigration ( dislike of foreigners), was sovereignty. Bercow is applying...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s England screwed then. I don’t know about Scotland and Northern Ireland though.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes indeed. May goes to EU to ask for extension to avoid no deal. EU says yes as long as it includes people’s vote. Labour says it will accept May‘s deal with amendment that includes it will be put to a vote at the people‘s vote. May’s deal is accepted with the amendment and with the help...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There was a motion to stop a third attempt. It was withdrawn because it was the job of the speaker to rule. The speaker said he would rule on it. It is a 400 year convention. He has made a preliminary ruling with 2 days warning before the proposed vote. Every one knew that as it was said in...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Bollocks.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What have I said on the subject? Apart from possible problems for UK airlines flying inside the EU as in my link. I haven’t mentioned private driving licenses or visas being a problem as I don’t think they are, at least for this year.
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