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  1. oldskyblue58

    Turn the lights off

    Just to compare Torino Ground to Ricoh Torino Capacity 28140 Serie B (second division) 2009/10 ave 13584 48% full 5th 2010/11 ave 11163 40% full 8th 2011/12 ave 15170 54% full (promoted) 2nd crowds in Serie B are similar to League 1 ....... Torino were a big team in Serie B Ricoh...
  2. oldskyblue58

    Turn the lights off

    yes ajsccfc my mistake its 41000 not 67000 (thats the old one)
  3. oldskyblue58

    Turn the lights off

    Look I understand the thought of easier access, user friendly etc all good points but you can not put the finances to one side they are inextricably linked. There is no new ground to go to unlike Torino, it would need to be found and built .... that costs. Can hardly expect the council to chip...
  4. oldskyblue58

    Turn the lights off

    just a thought .......... say another ground cost £25m to buy and build mortgage of £25m over 25 years at 5% interest would be repayments of interest and capital at £1.8m pa. On an interest only basis it would be £1.25m pa. That is around 3600 paying customers per game just to pay the interest
  5. oldskyblue58

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    At first sight the rent at £1.2m seems expensive ........ but to get the lease ACL took out £23m in finance if CCFC had to have done that they would own a long lease but be paying interest instead of rent. Had the club purchase the land from the council (a cost i didnt include above) then build...
  6. oldskyblue58

    Turn the lights off

    The stadium operates as follows ACL own a lease from the council. Compass operate the stadium functions, events etc for which they have paid for the right to do so and after deducting their costs give ACL a share of the profit made. The turnover does not all belong to ACL. CCFC lease the...
  7. oldskyblue58

    Turn the lights off

    complete rubbish ! Trading profits ACL 2006 loss £3.4m 2007 profit £870k 2008 profit £8k 2009 loss £1.7m (profit on accounts shows £3.2m which includes a one off benefit of £4.9m from reorganising the lease and group) 2010 profit £546k 2011 profit £471k (source - Companies House) I...
  8. oldskyblue58

    The ground

    just who exactly going to buy the site, then build and equip this new stadium ? There is no incentive for the council to do so. Private funding is going to be difficult and expensive, city centre sites are more expensive and i would guess having football crowds milling around the city center is...
  9. oldskyblue58

    Mcsheffrey

    isnt it just going back to things that have not worked recently well enough and hoping it will be different this time. Sheffers is past his prime and would he be better with McGoldrick than Elliott i do not think so. There were flashes of an understanding developing between the two yesterday...
  10. oldskyblue58

    Joe Murphy

    Think having Murphy in goal is the least of our problems. I wouldnt change him for either Burge or Dunn. Have seen nothing that says either would improve the situation Also do not have a problem with him shouting at other players, he is in a position to see in detail the mistakes happening...
  11. oldskyblue58

    Time for coffee

    we are talking about fractions between what should be at least similar level players though arent we. That is why i said that mental fitness is more important. Desire and commitment are all in a players head. Make a player think he can run through brick walls, or his life depended on getting the...
  12. oldskyblue58

    Mcsheffrey

    If we want some pace why not try one of the young lads eg Roberts, thought he looked quick and useful when he played against Southampton last game of last season. Clearly none of the more senior players have the pace, some dont even have the confidence. Shake things up - dont just reshuffle the...
  13. oldskyblue58

    Time for coffee

    fitness is part of it......... more specifically i would say that the training has not developed endurance or short dynamic pace to the required levels. Perhaps more importantly the mental fitness of the players has not been addressed, good and elite athletes may well have similar levels of...
  14. oldskyblue58

    The ground

    wouldnt matter if it was Wembley or a parks pitch................. football grounds don't fail to mark players, attack with pace, have a formation that works or score goals ...... players and managers do It isnt the Ricoh that has reduced the crowds it is the decade or more of dross that CCFC...
  15. oldskyblue58

    Everybody Calm Down

    wouldnt disagree ...... but to my mind a decent team defends from the front back....... and defensive organisation is about organising the whole team so that any weakness is covered by the team not left exposed and open to being booed.............. clearly there is no clear direction from the...
  16. oldskyblue58

    Everybody Calm Down

    but we defend set pieces and corners with 11 players .... hard to single out the back 4 in those situations..... thing that summed up to day for me was my wife turning to me and saying she thought my lads U16 team plays far better football and is better to watch ........ it shouldnt be the...
  17. oldskyblue58

    Everybody Calm Down

    never said it was our forwards at fault BSB ....... i said going forward there is a difference..... wasnt blaming the front two at all, they have to create their own chances largely though .... we should attack or defend as a team We allow too much pressure on the defense because we dont go...
  18. oldskyblue58

    Everybody Calm Down

    but look at the two goals today ........ first came from our midfield losing it (barton) then i agree the defence didnt help diving in but they got insufficient cover from midfield........... second goal everyone of the defenders had a man a midfielder (Barton) didnt The defense gets the ball...
  19. oldskyblue58

    Everybody Calm Down

    Sorry BSB but going forward is a big problem...... we rarely turn defenders, we certainly do not get forward quickly and cannot sustain any real tempo......... and it isnt the fault of the front two who work their socks off. the speed or more accurately lack of speed in our attacking play...
  20. oldskyblue58

    miracle needed

    as usual you dont have any facts
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