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  1. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    High five then - we're now twins! The only person who didn't know has now caught up and overturned the 'in-the-know' status of 'Astute'! You can fool me, but you can't fool Investopedia :cool:
  2. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    Nope, I have no one to fool and happily admit my flaws - it's why I don't put myself on a pedestal by naming myself something like 'Astute'. You Sir, are the opposite and have gone down a notch... I still believe Investopedia by the way :joyful:
  3. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    Clearly we can add you to the list of 'dont-knoers' based on recent evidence :joyful: Our good friend Investopedia has already explained that :playful: Example of Hard Brexit that is not a no deal - let's say hypothetically that the UK gets a Canada plus style agreement with the EU and gives...
  4. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    No mate, a hard Brexit can be leaving without a agreement but you say it with certainty. I think you need to learn the meaning of the word 'subset' - a no agreement outcome is a subset of all the possible Hard Brexits, but there are many other Hard Brexits that are possible. Let me get you an...
  5. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    "Unlike, a hard Brexit, which could theoretically include some type of agreement with the EU and potentially set out a transitional period to negotiate free trade deals, a no deal scenario presents no cushion whatsoever." Thank you Astute, but I don't need the gratification! :cool: No Deal...
  6. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    Since you asked Hard, Soft, On Hold or No Deal: Brexit Outcomes Explained
  7. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    Man tried to convince me that I do not know the meaning of a hard Brexit by suggesting that it is a No Deal :joyful:
  8. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    Amidst all the bickering is some good news for all - registrations are up over 800,000 compared to last time round! Whatever side these voters are on, its undoubtedly good for our democracy. Some of these will be repeat registrations but imo that just means people are keener to vote, not a bad...
  9. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    It isn't going to be easy, but just because something has not been implemented before, it doesn't mean its not worth pursuing, otherwise politics would not exist as a practice. What people predict is purely speculative, but there is good reason to refute the simple explanation that a Corbyn...
  10. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    It really works both ways. Your argument of 'been there, done that', is no stronger than that of 'I'm about to do that; but I want a say on what the conditions are like when I do eventually achieve x and y'. There is nothing preventing older people from actually giving younger people the advice...
  11. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    I agree that bad choices are undesirable. Sure, young people have less experience of adult life (an uncontroversial statement by definition!) but the rationale behind giving people a say is all about allowing them to vote on what matters to them at a particular moment in time. So even if they...
  12. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    I haven't suggested that the age should be lowered to 16 - merely that raising it to 21 is ludicrous. If the government were considering lowering the age (which they have), then there would need to be a consultation/full review - which would not be objective in practice because whoever's in...
  13. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    I completely beg to differ - most people I went to sixth form with were holding down jobs while in full time education, which itself no mean feat despite what you might think. Those who did not attend sixth form were also incredibly hard working - in apprenticeships, doing their NVQs etc while...
  14. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    I'm not sure what 'real life you're referring to but if it's another planet then maybe I understand. Education, apprenticeships, getting even the smallest foot onto the housing ladder are all real world activities! You seem to think that because some issues affect older voters, this amounts to...
  15. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    Never really understood the argument that we should bring other people down to recognise other people's achievements. Older people have paid their taxes and for that I'm sure most if not everyone is grateful, but proponents of raising the voting age somehow think that this means we should strip...
  16. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    I think it's important to understand that young people's issues should not be downplayed and that what you propose is a form of ageism and is completely against democracy. Not giving young people a say on, for instance, the cuts affecting schools, vocational education etc moves us further...
  17. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    I appreciate that people have different views but I would argue that this time round, Labour are creating the conditions under which that can be made more likely. It is a cliché but education for me is key - and what Labour propose with respect to funding for adult education - both vocational...
  18. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    There are as many, if not more, issues affecting the young than the old. If we restricted the franchise further to over 21s. we would neglect issues such as age pay gaps, young people getting on the housing ladder etc. I used to take the view that 16 year olds should not get the vote but having...
  19. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    And what makes older voters more deserving?
  20. W

    General Election 2019 thread

    I agree that the Conservatives have put in place some decent measures to help the working class - the income tax threshold rise for instance. But don't forget that correlation does not imply causation. Unemployment during Labour's firts few years was significantly lower than that of the Thatcher...
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