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I think you know negotiations took place and changes were made. I think you also know that most of the things we had to compromise on are practical or legal realities with very little room for manoeuvre. If you don’t know that then you’re not as balanced as you like to make out. What are my...

Exactly. Tweaks were made (negotiated) but it’s also the only way of meeting the red lines, legalities and reality of the situation (keeping integrity of SM etc) so I think Astute is being intentionally disingenuous here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Unfortunately they’re going to be very busy blaming other people for the consequences of their actions. Plus some of them have more work to do. Cummings for example has said he wants to repeal the human rights act. Other will have jobs to do lobbying for changes to tax rules and such. Sent...

Yeah you’re right. Both parties are full of ideological crazies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I see Farage is already turning against Johnson and Cummings for not having a pure enough vision for Brexit. It will consume them all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The most tragic thing is most likely won’t be anywhere near enough. I’m sure that those who loose their jobs will feel reassured by the fact that the Brexiters have told them it will be “worth it”. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah something like this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Specifically what do you think should have happened differently? I’m being patient here as you’re only ever condescending to people and seem to think you’re the only reasonable person here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You’re right there are tweaks that could be made but as we’re just asking for it to be dropped and not asking for an extension it doesn’t seem like we’re making a genuine offer to negotiate anything and instead painting it as the EUs fault to mobilise leave voters for a genuine election. Of...

I disagree in that I don’t think they would but that is one of the possible sacrifices that could make an orderly Brexit possible. I don’t think there’s a version of Brexit that doesn’t involve a sacrifice. Unfortunately leavers have been promised that it won’t need sacrifice and so it’s seems...

Exactly, if we want to do something then I’m afraid at this point it’s on us to start putting ideas out there and see if any of them gain traction. Some members of the government are talking about Ireland like they’re some colony that just needs to keep its mouth shut and do what they’re told...

It’s more complex than the EU just wanting to talk though. There are legal obstacles to reopening the WA and there doesn’t really seem to be the political will to reopen it (look at the comments coming from the EU). There’s also the time factor, it took 2 years to negotiate, it’s unlikely to be...

Based on his Instagram he might be shopping for a Mercedes. Read into that what you will. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Removal of foreigners. Use of propaganda. Sowing distrust of public institutions designed to keep power in check. Demonisation of the hostile press. Calling opponents traitors. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You see this is an example of racism which I think you asked for earlier. You are painting the entire German people with the same same brush as the Nazis. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The mental gymnastics are astounding aren’t they Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Grendel, it’s fine for you to disagree on revocation of A50 but when you compare it to the Nazis it’s really transparent that you’re doing it because the likes of Farage, Trump and the Brexit party have been compared to the Nazis with examples that are very hard to counter. Of course the irony...

Of course it’s a distraction as it isn’t relevant to the discussion. Your counter point is essentially “other people in the world are racist”. That’s after your comments about a sixth form level of debate and sarcasm of “what a well thought out point”. Now that’s irony. I didn’t throw the...

I am neutral on the EU I just think Brexit is an insane decision perpetrated by conmen. I had no opinion on our status in the EU until the referendum. Even if I was pro EU that doesn’t mean I endorse specific individuals within the organisation. Again with the distraction. This is...

The real irony is that one of the original points that started the conversation was EU wealth distribution. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk